noggin Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 He has knocked off over two points from his starting average so that tends to make Matt Ford's decision not to re-sign him correct. Signing him for next season on the other hand would make sense. Good Job Swindon took a punt on him then, will be a bargain to any team next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Good Job Swindon took a punt on him then, will be a bargain to any team next season. I think if he had maintained his early season form then he may not be a Robin anymore but he has improved a lot lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 I think if he had maintained his early season form then he may not be a Robin anymore but he has improved a lot lately. True, although a couple of early season Injuries didn't help, glad we stuck by him, as the previous season told us he has bags of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 True, although a couple of early season Injuries didn't help, glad we stuck by him, as the previous season told us he has bags of potential. Yes true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Flwg my recent posts on Frederik Jakobsen (flwg Skidders comments after the World team U21 final in Poland), I see the Poles have woken up to this potential prestigious future talent.Flwg posted today on the main Polish Speedway website.https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pl&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/709288/zaczelo-sie-polowanie-na-mlodego-dunczyka-rok-temu-nie-chcial-go-prawie-nikt&usg=ALkJrhhWAbC8CNhoKiggyOMYlOlsnNr_CgThe opening headline is: (Pls excuse the Polish that attaches itself when I copy across). The hunt for a young Dane began. A year ago almost no one wanted himFrederik Jakobsen scored 13 points in the DMŚJ final in Rybnik. He beat Max Fricke, Robert Lambert and Dominique Kubera and caught the attention of many club activists. Some have already decided they want to have it. I wonder if a UK Promoter can get clarification from the BSPA on what a riders GSA av would be for next season before deciding if they want to sign him. I know some non Poole supporters feel he should be given 7 but I do find it bemusing that K Woryna can come in with 1 years UK experience on just over 4.5 GSA and a potential top class Polish performer also riding in Polish Exl, yet a rider only in his 3rd season on a 500cc bike who is 19 - never ridden UK in ANY league - first season riding in Polish 2nd Div (2 leagues behind Pol EXL) - odd guest appearance in Sweden and his own Danish League is potentially deemed as a 7 pointer. I would love to have Matt clarify his GSA for 2018 and if low enough I certainly would have him onboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I think Jacobsen would be on 5 points according to current rules - rules which of course might be changed in the agm for 2018!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I think Jacobsen would be on 5 points according to current rules - rules which of course might be changed in the agm for 2018!! Would struggle to see how he fits in for next season with the apparent plan. Maybe sign as an asset and let him have a year in the championship or another premiership team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Would struggle to see how he fits in for next season with the apparent plan. Maybe sign as an asset and let him have a year in the championship or another premiership team? Maybe being a little selfish here. BUT.... As a speedway fan of some 47 years - ok I was only 15 when I first starting going to Hackney ;-). I am a great believer in giving potential World class riders a chance. IF Jakobsen could be secured on a 5.00 GSA av then I would take a chance on him. Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith. Yes the easy option is to have say Ellis and or maybe Newman in reserve berth with Wornya (initially). But bottom line is Woryna will probably move out of the reserve berth (hopefully) when first GSA is issued in 2018 with changes (end May/June ??). Again IF the av allow it I would rather have an improving youngster like Jakobsen in the team even IF he stays as reserve until the Summer. If we have until 31/7 again to change riders I would persevere with the guy while he gains experience. Yes some will say the likes of M.Bech have gone backwards but ultimately how many of the star Danish riders had to be given their chance to break through over the many years I have been a Speedway supporter. Not every Danish rider came here as a HL. Also lets remember that ultimately the league is won in Oct not March. Top 4 is where to be for play offs, and if the team is strong enough then the club can exercise patience. He seems to be the best young Dane out there and ultimately someone will take that chance. I would like it to be Poole although I can understand that after what happened this season some Poole supporters want the quick/safe fix for 2018. At 7 GSA I would say sign as an asset and loan out but IF he could get 5 I would say go for it as long term I see him being way above Newman/Ellis and riding all the major leagues in Europe. Hand on heart can you see that of Ellis or Newman who are 3/6 years older (and in my opinion will always be steady English riders) being better than Jakobsen long term ??. The above is just my opinion of course. I just believe in giving talent a chance just as Matt did with youngsters like Ward/Holder Snr/Kurtz/Holder Jnr and numerous others over the years. UK may be way behind the Continent in overall quality but that doesn't stop us developing young talent wherever they originate from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Maybe being a little selfish here. BUT.... As a speedway fan of some 47 years - ok I was only 15 when I first starting going to Hackney ;-). I am a great believer in giving potential World class riders a chance. IF Jakobsen could be secured on a 5.00 GSA av then I would take a chance on him. Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith. Yes the easy option is to have say Ellis and or maybe Newman in reserve berth with Wornya (initially). But bottom line is Woryna will probably move out of the reserve berth (hopefully) when first GSA is issued in 2018 with changes (end May/June ??). Again IF the av allow it I would rather have an improving youngster like Jakobsen in the team even IF he stays as reserve until the Summer. If we have until 31/7 again to change riders I would persevere with the guy while he gains experience. Yes some will say the likes of M.Bech have gone backwards but ultimately how many of the star Danish riders had to be given their chance to break through over the many years I have been a Speedway supporter. Not every Danish rider came here as a HL. Also lets remember that ultimately the league is won in Oct not March. Top 4 is where to be for play offs, and if the team is strong enough then the club can exercise patience. He seems to be the best young Dane out there and ultimately someone will take that chance. I would like it to be Poole although I can understand that after what happened this season some Poole supporters want the quick/safe fix for 2018. At 7 GSA I would say sign as an asset and loan out but IF he could get 5 I would say go for it as long term I see him being way above Newman/Ellis and riding all the major leagues in Europe. Hand on heart can you see that of Ellis or Newman who are 3/6 years older (and in my opinion will always be steady English riders) being better than Jakobsen long term ??. The above is just my opinion of course. I just believe in giving talent a chance just as Matt did with youngsters like Ward/Holder Snr/Kurtz/Holder Jnr and numerous others over the years. UK may be way behind the Continent in overall quality but that doesn't stop us developing young talent wherever they originate from. Agree with what your saying but. If you do have Magic, Holder, Holder, Kurtz and Woryna! Where you going to fit him in. If the points limit does not fit for that team then I would say yes get him in but if it's a choice of that top 5 then get him as an asset and give him a year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 So Matt Ford confirms today (Echo and BBC Radio) another deal is done with terms agreed for the rider 'to switch to the south coast' for 2018! It will be the 3rd full signing of this year (after Klindt and Woryna), but as stated on the radio there are one or two minor things to sort out so 'its not the right time to make the announcement yet'!! Read into that what you will............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I don't think any of the Holders will be back at Poole not that I am bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 So Matt Ford confirms today (Echo and BBC Radio) another deal is done with terms agreed for the rider 'to switch to the south coast' for 2018! It will be the 3rd full signing of this year (after Klindt and Woryna), but as stated on the radio there are one or two minor things to sort out so 'its not the right time to make the announcement yet'!! Read into that what you will............. http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/speedway/piratesnews/15518105.Ford_in_talks_over_new_recruit_for_Pirates/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/speedway/piratesnews/15518105.Ford_in_talks_over_new_recruit_for_Pirates/ Not Ellis then as he is already a asset isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Not Ellis then as he is already a asset isn't he? Thought he was Lakeside Asset? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Thought he was Lakeside Asset? Maybe Matt is window dressing the Ellis news signing. Most Poole fans on the forum know he is being signed as an asset from Lakeside and indeed switching from Swindon to Poole would be a switch to the South Coast. Wouldn't be news to get the pulse racing if it is, as it was put out on the forum by those who had already heard rumours based on talks between Cook and Ford recently. We all know Matt Ford plays the media to gain maximum exposure to possible signings and this may well be another case of the same but with news already leaked on the forum. Could be wrong and perhaps a decent signing on its way in which more head scratching on who it might be. P.S: Not saying Ellis would be a bad signing as at reserve or swinging in and out of that position during the season is no bad move ONLY if its with another decent scoring reserve possibility after Woryna hopefully comes out after first BSPA GSA amended av end May/June period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 How can you sign 3 riders without the rules being confirmed yet?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 How can you sign 3 riders without the rules being confirmed yet?! Assets are not always in the team ;-) Would be interesting if it is someone like Robert Lambert as there have been noises floating around the forum that maybe he needs a change ?? Could be wide of the mark here but wouldn't put it past Matt Ford to tap into even more rising talent at Poole. Now that would be news to raise the pulse. True though. The points limit is critical. BUT - We all know the BSPA draft for next season is already on the table and unless there are many dissenters then chances are the promoters already know the expected points limit and what rules there may/may not be about number of Brits that have to be in each team. For sure they don't turn up (those that choose to attend) in Nov without the plans already being on the table. Chances are its between 42 & 45 but just a case of which of those figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 More mind games ahead of the playoffs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Miedzinski is still up for grabs..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Miedzinski is still up for grabs..... We couldn't give him away!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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