LisaColette Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, poole keith said: havnt read all the posts but people arent seriously saying ward was a better rider than mauger are they ??? Some are. I haven't said as I've seen Darcy ride but not Mauger, so I would have no idea who was better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, poole keith said: havnt read all the posts but people arent seriously saying ward was a better rider than mauger are they ??? over time yep 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said: who's to say wolves or even Poole will make the playoffs , but I certainly fancy this Poole team over 2 legs against anyone im not disagreeing im just saying out of all the teams in the league i feel over 2 legs it would be Wolves who would cause Poole the most problems, simply because not one of the Poole riders goes very well there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Woz01 said: Woryna only beat an opponent twice 9 rides scoring 8 altogether at Wolves. He got a heat win against Karlsson and Howarth and a 2nd beating Masters and Karlsson. Thanks. I wasn't 100% who it was he beat but decent standard riders for a newcomer. 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: Holder is always bad at Wolves but I think Josh G is ok there so who knows what to expect, just they all have to appreciate none of them will beat Thorsell. I've seen Holder score double figures at Poole so he can ride the track well, but rarely does. 6 minutes ago, poole keith said: havnt read all the posts but people arent seriously saying ward was a better rider than mauger are they ??? It's only really 1 poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: A point that hasn’t been mentioned is that Matt Ford has a very good rider waiting to come in, should one of the top four fail to ride to expectations in the first 4 weeks of the season. with the team made up below the points limit, any of the top 4 can be replaced. I remember chatting to Davey Watt a few years ago and he said the pressure of riding league speedway in Poland was intense compared to elsewhere. Looks like Matt is bringing Polish pressure to bear on the Poole riders. Surely if you keep your 8 point rider (Kurtz) then you shouldn’t be allowed to sign a rider on a starting average over 8 (Pawlicki). Are 3 ringers not enough for you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said: over time yep Its an impossible argument. One did it, the other might have. Its not like comparing two 7 times world champs in a sport from different eras, which is hard enough. Worth watching the documentary on youtube about Mauger. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, hagonshocker said: To be fair he is rather demeaning Maugers achievements so shouldn’t be surprised he doesnt understand that You missed read what i said it was harder in ivans day to become champlon that under the gp format Edited January 20, 2018 by ray c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Some are. I haven't said as I've seen Darcy ride but not Mauger, so I would have no idea who was better! No whats happening is people are mistaking talent for success. Darcy Ward probably one of the top 3 most skilled riders ive ever seen. For me Mark Loram took some beating on that front, nobody got their wheels in line and made long straights like Mark could. The thing is natural talent in most sports doesnt equate to winning as much as you should Take snooker i think most people will say the most talented players are Ronnie, White and Alex Higgins, those 3 have 7 world titles between them Davis, Hendry and John Higgins have 17 Mauger and Rickardsson and Nielsen probably not as naturally talented as Ward, Loram, Lee but will always be more successful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 WOULD personally place Peter Collins ahead of Mark Loram, great though he was, in every respect. Too easy to forget just how supremely talented PC was. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 49 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: WOULD personally place Peter Collins ahead of Mark Loram, great though he was, in every respect. Too easy to forget just how supremely talented PC was. Agree, but if we are talking natural talent lets not forget Gollob must be very close to the top of the pile!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Gavan said: im not disagreeing im just saying out of all the teams in the league i feel over 2 legs it would be Wolves who would cause Poole the most problems, simply because not one of the Poole riders goes very well there Chris Holder CAN ride Wolverhampton very well......scored 14/15 there a few years back with Woffinden and Lindgren both in the Wolves team. Was’nt it at Wolverhampton that Holder and Ward won the EL pairs in about 2011?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Gavan said: No whats happening is people are mistaking talent for success. Darcy Ward probably one of the top 3 most skilled riders ive ever seen. For me Mark Loram took some beating on that front, nobody got their wheels in line and made long straights like Mark could. The thing is natural talent in most sports doesnt equate to winning as much as you should Take snooker i think most people will say the most talented players are Ronnie, White and Alex Higgins, those 3 have 7 world titles between them Davis, Hendry and John Higgins have 17 Mauger and Rickardsson and Nielsen probably not as naturally talented as Ward, Loram, Lee but will always be more successful Surely your joking. Rickardsson was an absolutely immense talent on a bike. Some of the moves he made were out of this world, he was simply awesome. As for Loram, entertaining yes exciting yes, one of the most skilled ever? Do me a favour! He had an exceptionally good year in 2000 and a good half season the year before but was always IMO in the shadow of Crump and Rickardsson, even Hamill. He was a very entertaining rider but even in league speedway, when he was around I would always of taken Crump, Rickardsson, Hamill, Adams, Sullivan and probably Hancock over him to lead my team. If he could gate it could of been a different story, but he couldnt and thats half the battle so thats that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, scottyfan said: Chris Holder CAN ride Wolverhampton very well......scored 14/15 there a few years back with Woffinden and Lindgren both in the Wolves team. Was’nt it at Wolverhampton that Holder and Ward won the EL pairs in about 2011?? I think it was at Kings Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, scottyfan said: Chris Holder CAN ride Wolverhampton very well......scored 14/15 there a few years back with Woffinden and Lindgren both in the Wolves team. Was’nt it at Wolverhampton that Holder and Ward won the EL pairs in about 2011?? Wasn't a Wolves. But yes you are absolutely right. Holder has had some great meetings at Monmore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 I see Brady and Josh are in the 70th anniversary meeting, how come no Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pinny said: Surely your joking. Rickardsson was an absolutely immense talent on a bike. Some of the moves he made were out of this world, he was simply awesome. As for Loram, entertaining yes exciting yes, one of the most skilled ever? Do me a favour! He had an exceptionally good year in 2000 and a good half season the year before but was always IMO in the shadow of Crump and Rickardsson, even Hamill. He was a very entertaining rider but even in league speedway, when he was around I would always of taken Crump, Rickardsson, Hamill, Adams, Sullivan and probably Hancock over him to lead my team. If he could gate it could of been a different story, but he couldnt and thats half the battle so thats that. Richardsson was very good i was never a big fan of his to be honest and he would not be in my all time top five riders ever riders Mauger,Fundin,Briggs,Olsen,Nielsen would all be above him but anyway only my opinion how is your strawberry picking going in Aussie? Edited January 20, 2018 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said: I see Brady and Josh are in the 70th anniversary meeting, how come no Chris They have only announced 4. There is another 12 to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Trick was a completely dominant force like Mauger. For a period he wasn’t just head and shoulders, he was simply in another league. I was a massive fan and gave the sport a huge star. Swedish speedway saw massive crowds, never seen since. Did Woffinden have the same affect to British speedway? No. He couldn’t be arsed to even ride here. Mauger - Trick Briggs Neilsen PC Loram-Gollob - others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Trick was a completely dominant force like Mauger. For a period he wasn’t just head and shoulders, he was simply in another league. I was a massive fan and gave the sport a huge star. Swedish speedway saw massive crowds, never seen since. Did Woffinden have the same affect to British speedway? No. He couldn’t be arsed to even ride here. Mauger - Trick Briggs Neilsen PC Loram-Gollob - others. 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Trick was a completely dominant force like Mauger. For a period he wasn’t just head and shoulders, he was simply in another league. I was a massive fan and gave the sport a huge star. Swedish speedway saw massive crowds, never seen since. Did Woffinden have the same affect to British speedway? No. He couldn’t be arsed to even ride here. Mauger - Trick Briggs Neilsen PC Loram-Gollob - others. No Fundin or Olsen really ? god what a statement anyway it is your opinion and i grudgeonly respect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) so if were talking about entertainment / box office, who would be your choice. Mine would be Loram / Ward / Gollob every day Edited January 20, 2018 by Arthur Fry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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