Poole 2018

[INCOGNITO]

4 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

If you've seen that written down anywhere as a 2018 rule, you may well be correct.  Also can you please confirm what averages former GP riders will be on - ie for example those that are out of the 2018 series?

All riders that have appeared in the Grand Prix Series in the last three seasons and those riding in 2018 that did NOT appear here in 2017 will be given a 9.00 assessed average. 

 

This includes Woffinden, Zagar, Lindback, Pawlicki etc but doesn't include Chris Holder 7.16 as he rode here while Lindgren keeps his 9.29 average and Doyle his 9.69. Iversen will be 9.00 as his previous average was just short of nine.

 

The one rule that does seem to have been forgotten is a rider coming to Britain that has achieved a certain average (6.00) in either the Swedish or Polish top division is assessed at 7.00 however Woryna keeps his 4.65 average from 2016 despite reaching an average just under eight for Rybnik which was higher than Doyle, Woffinden, Holder and Hancock. 

 

Despite winning the Gold Medal as a member of the World U21 SWC and the fact Coventry failed to start in 2017 (even though he wasn't signed) and he was at reserve in Poland (one easy race only) they have managed to keep his 2016 average

[tellboy]

1 hour ago, INCOGNITO said:

All riders that have appeared in the Grand Prix Series in the last three seasons and those riding in 2018 that did NOT appear here in 2017 will be given a 9.00 assessed average. 

 

This includes Woffinden, Zagar, Lindback, Pawlicki etc but doesn't include Chris Holder 7.16 as he rode here while Lindgren keeps his 9.29 average and Doyle his 9.69. Iversen will be 9.00 as his previous average was just short of nine.

Pretty sure Iversen attained a 9.04 average.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

12 minutes ago, tellboy said:

Pretty sure Iversen attained a 9.04 average.

And it was still a bit closer to being accurate than the first paragraph

[Steve Shovlar]

2 hours ago, INCOGNITO said:

The one rule that does seem to have been forgotten is a rider coming to Britain that has achieved a certain average (6.00) in either the Swedish or Polish top division is assessed at 7.00 however Woryna keeps his 4.65 average from 2016 despite reaching an average just under eight for Rybnik which was higher than Doyle, Woffinden, Holder and Hancock. 

Despite winning the Gold Medal as a member of the World U21 SWC and the fact Coventry failed to start in 2017 (even though he wasn't signed) and he was at reserve in Poland (one easy race only) they have managed to keep his 2016 average

The reason he wasn’t signed by Horton for the 2017 season was because Mick Horton didn’t rate him. 

[Booey boy]

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The reason he wasn’t signed by Horton for the 2017 season was because Mick Horton didn’t rate him. 

Or there was a deal Horton used him in 2016 and didn't use him in 2017 so Ford got him on a nice average? 

[NeilWatson]

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The reason he wasn’t signed by Horton for the 2017 season was because Mick Horton didn’t rate him. 

Way off the mark Steve!

5 minutes ago, Booey boy said:

Or there was a deal Horton used him in 2016 and didn't use him in 2017 so Ford got him on a nice average? 

Even further off the mark

[Steve Shovlar]

Hi Neil merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your family.

so if I am way off the mark, what is the mark?

[NeilWatson]

39 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Hi Neil merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your family.

so if I am way off the mark, what is the mark?

Happy Christmas Steve. The putative 2017 Bees team was built to include UK based riders only.

[Crazy robin]

50 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

Happy Christmas Steve. The putative 2017 Bees team was built to include UK based riders only.

So yet again Steve is proved to post the wrong information as clearly you  would know the truth.

Yet again when the clowns had a chance to clear up all these averages they failed miserably.

Swindon should never have been able to sign Tobias on the average they got him on last season & he was massive in helping us win the league.

The same thing will happen with Kacper at Poole.

They really couldn’t decide a fair way at their AGM if their life’s depending on it.

[Gemini]

3 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

Happy Christmas Steve. The putative 2017 Bees team was built to include UK based riders only.

Tell you what Neil I aren't half learning some new words on here lately so I'm really grateful for your posts.

[g13webb]

16 hours ago, INCOGNITO said:

The one rule that does seem to have been forgotten is a rider coming to Britain that has achieved a certain average (6.00) in either the Swedish or Polish top division is assessed at 7.00 however Woryna keeps his 4.65 average from 2016 despite reaching an average just under eight for Rybnik which was higher than Doyle, Woffinden, Holder and Hancock. 

Despite winning the Gold Medal as a member of the World U21 SWC and the fact Coventry failed to start in 2017 (even though he wasn't signed) and he was at reserve in Poland (one easy race only) they have managed to keep his 2016 average

We moan about all the fans leaving, and the sustainability of the sport,     but this one rule  highlights all the problems that are ingrained within the sport.   Everyman and his dog knows that Woryna is a quality rider and his 4.65 is outdated insult of his ability, yet the powers do nothing about it.  

This sport will never be taken seriously, until them who govern,  make  rules equal and fair.    

NB...     Why don't they put all the ringers in one team,  to drive all the fans away once and for all.............    

[Steve Shovlar]

Funny that in a space of a couple of weeks since that announcement of Woryna and Spanner, we have gone from “meh” and “uninspired signings”,  “really mediocre”,  “what a rubbish looking team”, “Poole have thrown the towel in again”, “Kennett and Lahti would have been better signings”, to “huge ringers” and Worynas average “an insult to his ability”.

Woryna got his average by riding in this league. He has improved abroad but will that equate to a higher average here?

We don’t really know how these two will do, though I hope they both do exceptionally well and score a bucket load for us.  

 

Edited December 27, 2017 by Steve Shovlar

[g13webb]

9 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Funny that in a space of a couple of weeks since that announcement of Woryna and Spanner, we have gone from “meh” and “uninspired signings”, to “huge ringers” and Worynas average “an insult to his ability”. Woryna got his average by riding in this league. He has improved abroad but will that equate to a higher average here?

We don’t really know how these two will do, though I hope they both do exceptionally well and score a bucket load for us.  

 

 I've got no problem with any of Poole signings'  providing they have accurate averages,  as the same as everyone else, but please don't insult our integrity  with your one sided comments.   To put a finer comparison  on Woryna's ability  he is of similar class to that of Lambert, whom he has beaten more times when they have met... So this is not a gamble ,  more like a backhanded gift from all the other blinded Promoters...

[tellboy]

21 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

 

Woryna got his average by riding in this league. He has improved abroad but will that equate to a higher average here?

We don’t really know how these two will do, though I hope they both do exceptionally well and score a bucket load for us.  

 

So why did you moan so much when Woffinden returned to Wolves when he got his average from riding in this league.

You puzzle me Steve because you will always seem to think it's alright for Poole to sign riders on these sort of averages,but as soon as any other team want to do it it becomes unfair

[Grachan]

24 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Funny that in a space of a couple of weeks since that announcement of Woryna and Spanner, we have gone from “meh” and “uninspired signings”,  “really mediocre”,  “what a rubbish looking team”, “Poole have thrown the towel in again”, “Kennett and Lahti would have been better signings”, to “huge ringers” and Worynas average “an insult to his ability”.

Woryna got his average by riding in this league. He has improved abroad but will that equate to a higher average here?

We don’t really know how these two will do, though I hope they both do exceptionally well and score a bucket load for us.  

 

He didn't get his average riding in this league. He got his average riding in the Elite League, which was a stronger league than this one.

It does seem strange, though, that he is not being reassessed while other riders are. Part of a pay-off to get Poole to vote for the one-over-eight rule perhaps?

[Steve Shovlar]

Think its clear who voted for one over eight, looking at the way certain teams are being built on a tiny budget.

Having said that, if two or three teams said they refuse to come to tapes in 2018 if that rule isn’t implemented, they have the rest of the clubs over a barrel.

[Grachan]

1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Think its clear who voted for one over eight, looking at the way certain teams are being built on a tiny budget.

Having said that, if two or three teams said they refuse to come to tapes in 2018 if that rule isn’t implemented, they have the rest of the clubs over a barrel.

 

Which is why they shouldn't have a say in what the rules are. Until that stops everyone will be voting with a vested interest for their own team building, which is wrong.

Personally I have no problem with Poole getting Woryna on his average. Swindon benefitted in a similar way last year with Musielak. But they really need some hard and fast rules, and riders like Woffinden, Kildermand etc should also have been able to retain their averages if others have.

I'll bet Somerset voted for the one-over-eight rules, for example, yet they've brought the World Champion in.

[Gavan]

Cant believe we are still banging on about averages!

Grossly unfair that a rider like Woryna isnt reassessed but riders like Woffinden and Zagar would be.

But of course the usual bile from the south coast expert clouds over the thread. 

It should be one clear cut rule............if you didnt ride here last season you are either ALL reassessed or ALL not reassessed. Its not difficult.

Dont think anyone has said Pooles team looks poor just got a weak number one and a couple of risky Poles who may or may not do the business. If they do Poole will be good for the play offs

Shovlar banging on about how good Poole look and how poor everyone else looks................then await the first Poole fixture and they will be massive underdogs whoever they ride against..........

 

[Steve Shovlar]

 

36 minutes ago, Gavan said:

It should be one clear cut rule............if you didnt ride here last season you are either ALL reassessed or ALL not reassessed. Its not difficult.

Funny how you never mentioned this once last season when Swindon signed Musielak.

[stevebrum]

21 hours ago, ouch said:

Don’t forget it only 2 home 2 away to get an average as per the Clegg ruling. 

Another rule change conveniently changed or changed to suit one team or one rider.

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Funny that in a space of a couple of weeks since that announcement of Woryna and Spanner, we have gone from “meh” and “uninspired signings”,  “really mediocre”,  “what a rubbish looking team”, “Poole have thrown the towel in again”, “Kennett and Lahti would have been better signings”, to “huge ringers” and Worynas average “an insult to his ability”.

Woryna got his average by riding in this league. He has improved abroad but will that equate to a higher average here?

We don’t really know how these two will do, though I hope they both do exceptionally well and score a bucket load for us.  

 

 

What we do know is some riders have been reassessed and others not which is grossly unfair,  and shame on the governing body for total lack of clarity and fairness over it.

1 hour ago, tellboy said:

So why did you moan so much when Woffinden returned to Wolves when he got his average from riding in this league.

You puzzle me Steve because you will always seem to think it's alright for Poole to sign riders on these sort of averages,but as soon as any other team want to do it it becomes unfair

Sadly Steve often comes across with blue blindness on these matters.