Poole 2018

[Buttons]

1 minute ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

So it looks like a lack of xmas cheer in the Ford household this year, and looking highly unlikely we will see any team announcements this side of xmas.

Matt was highly confident that he would be putting out a very strong team for 2018 the 70th anniversary and was quite open in his comments in the media in that respect. We have gone from naming all kinds of top riders on this forum coming to the squad for 2018 to something which may well fall short of that if one takes his comments about being down on revenue by 20% with the possible loss of the TV deal.

I think he felt Chris Holder was a shoe in but seems rider power is kicking in as its painfully obvious this whole saga is about Jack (who by the way I wanted to see back). Chris obviously wants to join him now at Somerset but of course Matt is not actually admitting it. He chooses to window dress the wording of his media releases and extract the max media coverage in both the Speedway Star and its now on Speedway GP. He then mentions with the 20% drop in revenue with the expected loss of TV he could do with selling 1/2 riders which to me is a clear indication that its sell only with Holder at a price of course nobody will pay. Especially after last season with the fall out at KL and his performances in general. Matt also admits selling some riders would help the club at this time. Sounds like all isn't well financially despite him protesting its not about money with Chris. Maybe it isn't but its plain to see Chris doesn't want Poole without Jack.

It should have been obvious to Matt long ago that moving Jack on was going to cause problems for 2 brothers who probably live together when in UK - Ride for the same Polish Club so would travel together plus both probably thought they were back in at Poole. I personally think its a mistake letting Jack go irrespective of some of the comments re his immature remarks/comments. He is still a future young star and should be told to iron out his immaturity and just concentrate on riding. With his brother to mentor him I feel its a mistake letting him go.

So where do we sit now on these top riders who we are supposed to be signing to give us that title winning look to the side ??

Holder looks like he wants out. Andersen looks like he's been told that as it stands he is not wanted back. Maybe a climb down though if Matt is up sh** creek. Sundstrom has been mentioned various times recently on this forum and if signed wont be a surprise to most visiting the Poole Forum. But even he cant be announced as the POL max 3 league rule hasn't been sorted - STILL...... On top of that is Sundstrom a heat leader ??? His revised GSA with the 8% reduction from his 2013 av (if its 2% per year not ridden) looks attractive but he isn't the rider you would go WOW about. So what about the Milik's/Madsen's etc which were the type of riders we were all looking for below 8 on old GSA's.

I hope I am proved wrong and we do see something special but I have a feeling that with all not being hunky dory on the Holder front and on the financial front  as admitted by Matt re the potential loss of 20% of his revenue, we may well be relying heavily on the 2 Poles which is dangerous. They should be the bonus signings and not the expected successes. I expect Brady & Josh to be steady but questionable at full heat leader status in the case of Brady especially who is still  developing at 21.

Surely Somerset would not be announcing their team with Chris in it,  if Matt is allegedly still talking to Chris !!!!

 

[LisaColette]

7 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

If chris and jack hadn't already agreed to race for somerset..how did some of us know where they would go??? 

Maybe matt had agreed to let chris go to somerset...then the one over 8 rule was brought in..changing matt plans completely 

Surely he couldn't back out of a loan agreement if it was already reached??! 

[LisaColette]

2 minutes ago, james1234 said:

Agree with this, Ford has probably came out and said this because Somerset want to announce Chris in the team before Christmas 

I don't understand why it matters if he is announced before or after Christmas?

[STEVEHOLS54]

3 minutes ago, Buttons said:

Surely Somerset would not be announcing their team with Chris in it,  if Matt is allegedly still talking to Chris !!!!

 

I think Matt is trying to rescue the situation with Holder Sr who for me was the most important part of Matts plan for 2018 with Brady Kurtz. I think his team plans are up the wall with the current stalemate caused by Matt not taking Jack back who as one of the World's improving young riders already signed by Torun would to many have been an obvious resigning. But not for Matt who must have had something said which he has taken to heart.

[james1234]

2 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

I don't understand why it matters if he is announced before or after Christmas?

Well the tweet I just read on Somersets Twitter feed looks the team is complete and will be announced before Christmas 

[LisaColette]

2 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

I think Matt is trying to rescue the situation with Holder Sr who for me was the most important part of Matts plan for 2018 with Brady Kurtz. I think his team plans are up the wall with the current stalemate caused by Matt not taking Jack back who as one of the World's improving young riders already signed by Torun would to many have been an obvious resigning. But not for Matt who must have had something said which he has taken to heart.

Keeping a rider who swears at you/doesn't respect you would be really stupid!! 

[Buttons]

2 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

I think Matt is trying to rescue the situation with Holder Sr who for me was the most important part of Matts plan for 2018 with Brady Kurtz. I think his team plans are up the wall with the current stalemate caused by Matt not taking Jack back who as one of the World's improving young riders already signed by Torun would to many have been an obvious resigning. But not for Matt who must have had something said which he has taken to heart.

True,  but if Chris is in Somerset team surely Somerset would wait and see what happens ,as if Chris stays with Poole that would mean Somerset would have to change their team around, so would not be announcing riders.....if that make sense.

[Agrotron]

The whole thing has been concocted

[LisaColette]

3 minutes ago, Agrotron said:

The whole thing has been concocted

We'll soon find out! A Poole fan on twitter thinks Chris and Poole are stuck with each other. I'd rather he went if he doesn't want to be here.

[STEVEHOLS54]

8 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Keeping a rider who swears at you/doesn't respect you would be really stupid!! 

A lot of things were said in anger last season when the likes of Rye House were hammering Poole into total submission on their home track. Jack being young was also frustrated at his own performances which didn't help. As well as Matts own outburst in the media about many of the riders would not be there in 2018. BUT some should remember this is a young Aussie in his first season at the club and the Prem. Its obvious he is a talent. For me there should have been more in depth talks between the 2 and with his brother Chris with a view to bringing both back for 2018.

Look at Jacks Champ results and GSA. Just shy of 9 and the so called British Wonder kid Lambert only was 0.33 higher and he has ridden UK tracks 2.5 years LONGER than Jack has. Jack has been signed by Torun and showed his potential talent end of season in Torun. Lambert has only ridden POL 2nd Div and was hardly snapped up by any POL EXL teams for 2018.

I think long term Holder JR may well be the better rider.

[Agrotron]

Holders a Fraggle 

[Buttons]

11 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

We'll soon find out! A Poole fan on twitter thinks Chris and Poole are stuck with each other. I'd rather he went if he doesn't want to be here.

The so called £25,000 Matt is supposedly asking for Holder will curtail some interest I would imagine.

[Steve Shovlar]

51 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

If Matt wanted to use him then he wouldn't let Somerset talk to him. Unless you are saying Somerset tapped him up??! 

I heard that was the case and Matt reported Somerset to the BSPA MC.

[BurntFaceMan]

I thought Poole and Somerset had a very good relationship? I remember Somerset to Poole being the natural progression for riders Matt Ford was interested in back when Somerset were in the second division.

[james1234]

I just can't believe Ford is making it public he is having problems agreeing a deal, 

[HAMMER180]

7 minutes ago, james1234 said:

I just can't believe Ford is making it public he is having problems agreeing a deal, 

very true should be kept between themselves

fords got the hump as it looks like he will have to run with most of the team

of untried poles

[james1234]

1 minute ago, HAMMER180 said:

very true should be kept between themselves

fords got the hump as it looks like he will have to run with most of the team

of untried poles

The way I read the statement I think even ford himself doesn't think Holder will be in the team

[Najjer]

It'll also come as no surprise that Charles Wright also hasn't signed for Somerset either, being a Poole asset.

[Baldyman]

36 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

A lot of things were said in anger last season when the likes of Rye House were hammering Poole into total submission on their home track. Jack being young was also frustrated at his own performances which didn't help. As well as Matts own outburst in the media about many of the riders would not be there in 2018. BUT some should remember this is a young Aussie in his first season at the club and the Prem. Its obvious he is a talent. For me there should have been more in depth talks between the 2 and with his brother Chris with a view to bringing both back for 2018.

Look at Jacks Champ results and GSA. Just shy of 9 and the so called British Wonder kid Lambert only was 0.33 higher and he has ridden UK tracks 2.5 years LONGER than Jack has. Jack has been signed by Torun and showed his potential talent end of season in Torun. Lambert has only ridden POL 2nd Div and was hardly snapped up by any POL EXL teams for 2018.

I think long term Holder JR may well be the better rider.

How can they bring both back???  Jack has already signed and announced for somerset.

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, BurntFaceMan said:

He says the arrangement with Holder isn't about money. He didn't say he need's to sell his assets, he said that it looks like he be losing 20% of his turnover due to a lack of profitable TV deal and could look at selling assets. 

What he actually said was that it would help the club financially if he sold one or two assets and inferring that he may need to look at that because of the lack of tv money.