foreverblue Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Skidder1 said: Well there's only Leicester, Belle Vue and Rye House as real possibilities!! Swindon and Wolves are complete. KL not really. Somerset can they afford him? Can anyone afford him? I would think only Rye House could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1234 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: So basically he wants to go to Somerset but Matt Ford is saying he wants to sell not loan. It must be Somerset he wants to go to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: So basically he wants to go to Somerset but Matt Ford is saying he wants to sell not loan. Well, unfortunately, Matt himself has set the bar on this one extremely low. In football we had the Bosman ruling. In speedway, its the Miedzinski. The fact Holder is in his plans for 2018 is neither here nor there. if they cant agree terms he is a free agent and the rule of Miedzinski should be enforced. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, foreverblue said: So basically he wants to go to Somerset but Matt Ford is saying he wants to sell not loan. Looks like that's the case.I can't see any club paying £25k for him as mentioned elsewhere.I doubt he has many years left over here and I don't think he's a rider that will still be riding into his late 30's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, theblueboy said: Well, unfortunately, Matt himself has set the bar on this one extremely low. In football we had the Bosman ruling. In speedway, its the Miedzinski. The fact Holder is in his plans for 2018 is neither here nor there. if they cant agree terms he is a free agent and the rule of Miedzinski should be enforced. Couldn’t agree more, Swindon were stiffed in that a few years back. Swindon offered Miedzak a deal & couldn’t agree, joins Poole & a loan is the arrangement, the same rule should be applicable 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1234 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 No one will buy him he will just refuse to ride for Poole, so MF may as well get a loan fee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, theblueboy said: Well, unfortunately, Matt himself has set the bar on this one extremely low. In football we had the Bosman ruling. In speedway, its the Miedzinski. The fact Holder is in his plans for 2018 is neither here nor there. if they cant agree terms he is a free agent and the rule of Miedzinski should be enforced. But they have agreed financial terms - its about other stuff!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Skidder1 said: But they have agreed financial terms - its about other stuff!! That's irrelevant. If Poole, cannot agree, for whatever reason, with Chris Holder to be in your team for 2018 that's Poole's problem, nobody else's. The problem is, you'll only be able to loan him out on a 7 pointers loan fee and not a number 1. That's a double whammy in my book... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 36 minutes ago, foreverblue said: He says it isn't about money then in the next sentence says he needs to sell assets because he is losing 20 cent of turnover due to lack of tv money! He says the arrangement with Holder isn't about money. He didn't say he need's to sell his assets, he said that it looks like he be losing 20% of his turnover due to a lack of profitable TV deal and could look at selling assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 I think it's a case of chris had already agreed to race for somerset with jack...as mentioned months ago...Matt has decided he wants to use him., chris has said no matt I'm racing for somerset. Matt throws toys out of pram and says....well they will have to buy you then. Chris says ...whatever matt...do what ya want but I'm not racing for you next year. Matt throws more toys out of pram and says.. Well can we at least make it look like I've tried to sign you in the press..as don't want people thinking I've lost my touch. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 37 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: Couldn’t agree more, Swindon were stiffed in that a few years back. Swindon offered Miedzak a deal & couldn’t agree, joins Poole & a loan is the arrangement, the same rule should be applicable Rules change every year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Baldyman said: I think it's a case of chris had already agreed to race for somerset with jack...as mentioned months ago...Matt has decided he wants to use him., chris has said no matt I'm racing for somerset. Matt throws toys out of pram and says....well they will have to buy you then. Chris says ...whatever matt...do what ya want but I'm not racing for you next year. Matt throws more toys out of pram and says.. Well can we at least make it look like I've tried to sign you in the press..as don't want people thinking I've lost my touch. If Matt wanted to use him then he wouldn't let Somerset talk to him. Unless you are saying Somerset tapped him up??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1234 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Baldyman said: I think it's a case of chris had already agreed to race for somerset with jack...as mentioned months ago...Matt has decided he wants to use him., chris has said no matt I'm racing for somerset. Matt throws toys out of pram and says....well they will have to buy you then. Chris says ...whatever matt...do what ya want but I'm not racing for you next year. Matt throws more toys out of pram and says.. Well can we at least make it look like I've tried to sign you in the press..as don't want people thinking I've lost my touch. Think that is pretty much spot on! Surely he needs a team for his visa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 If it is just about Jack then it is a bit ridiculous. I don't remember Jack insisting Chris was in last years team!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: If Matt wanted to use him then he wouldn't let Somerset talk to him. Unless you are saying Somerset tapped him up??! If chris and jack hadn't already agreed to race for somerset..how did some of us know where they would go??? Maybe matt had agreed to let chris go to somerset...then the one over 8 rule was brought in..changing matt plans completely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1234 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 I've just read the statement again I think even MF thinks he won't be at Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 So it looks like a lack of xmas cheer in the Ford household this year, and looking highly unlikely we will see any team announcements this side of xmas. Matt was highly confident that he would be putting out a very strong team for 2018 the 70th anniversary and was quite open in his comments in the media in that respect. We have gone from naming all kinds of top riders on this forum coming to the squad for 2018 to something which may well fall short of that if one takes his comments about being down on revenue by 20% with the possible loss of the TV deal. I think he felt Chris Holder was a shoe in but seems rider power is kicking in as its painfully obvious this whole saga is about Jack (who by the way I wanted to see back). Chris obviously wants to join him now at Somerset but of course Matt is not actually admitting it. He chooses to window dress the wording of his media releases and extract the max media coverage in both the Speedway Star and its now on Speedway GP. He then mentions with the 20% drop in revenue with the expected loss of TV he could do with selling 1/2 riders which to me is a clear indication that its sell only with Holder at a price of course nobody will pay. Especially after last season with the fall out at KL and his performances in general. Matt also admits selling some riders would help the club at this time. Sounds like all isn't well financially despite him protesting its not about money with Chris. Maybe it isn't but its plain to see Chris doesn't want Poole without Jack. It should have been obvious to Matt long ago that moving Jack on was going to cause problems for 2 brothers who probably live together when in UK - Ride for the same Polish Club so would travel together plus both probably thought they were back in at Poole. I personally think its a mistake letting Jack go irrespective of some of the comments re his immature remarks/comments. He is still a future young star and should be told to iron out his immaturity and just concentrate on riding. With his brother to mentor him I feel its a mistake letting him go. So where do we sit now on these top riders who we are supposed to be signing to give us that title winning look to the side ?? Holder looks like he wants out. Andersen looks like he's been told that as it stands he is not wanted back. Maybe a climb down though if Matt is up sh** creek. Sundstrom has been mentioned various times recently on this forum and if signed wont be a surprise to most visiting the Poole Forum. But even he cant be announced as the POL max 3 league rule hasn't been sorted - STILL...... On top of that is Sundstrom a heat leader ??? His revised GSA with the 8% reduction from his 2013 av (if its 2% per year not ridden) looks attractive but he isn't the rider you would go WOW about. So what about the Milik's/Madsen's etc which were the type of riders we were all looking for below 8 on old GSA's. I hope I am proved wrong and we do see something special but I have a feeling that with all not being hunky dory on the Holder front and on the financial front as admitted by Matt re the potential loss of 20% of his revenue, we may well be relying heavily on the 2 Poles which is dangerous. They should be the bonus signings and not the expected successes. I expect Brady & Josh to be steady but questionable at full heat leader status in the case of Brady especially who is still developing at 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 What a load of old pony this media stunt is Chris and Jack were never going to be back at Poole, Jack was the childish one so Ford just said fk off, and its been known Chris and Ford don't see eye to eye anymore and had no intentions of signing, so to please the Holder fans that have posters of him on there bedroom walls Matt has put some spin on it and media have published it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Thing is..with speedway you just never know....Matt may have said to chris if you race for us next year you never have to race for us again??? And no one will notice as somerset can use Doyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1234 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Agrotron said: What a load of old pony this media stunt is Chris and Jack were never going to be back at Poole, Jack was the childish one so Ford just said fk off, and its been known Chris and Ford don't see eye to eye anymore and had no intentions of signing, so to please the Holder fans that have posters of him on there bedroom walls Matt has put some spin on it and media have published it. Agree with this, Ford has probably came out and said this because Somerset want to announce Chris in the team before Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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