dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Those are the rules. Always have been Many rules change 1 over 8, Doubling up elligibility, Draft system, 2 Brits etc etc Rules can change where it is decided they are no longer appropriate. Hiding behind 'those are the rules' is the soft option. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: The difference in Poland is significant. One rides for thd equivalent of Tottenham or Liverpool while the other rides for Wigan or Shrewsbury. Woryna, along with Drabik, is about to smash his way onto the Polish national team and no more than a couple of seasons from being in the GP series. I am not saying this because he has signed for Poole. I follow Polish speedway and have watched his progression in the sport and its been impressive. Lambert is a good rider but he was pathetic for TeamGB in the SWC. He didn't do much last season for Lynn other than confront a fan in the crowd who had just about had enough and made his thoughts vocal. Now he says he isn't riding in the UK next season. Buster deciding by the look of it to get rid. Chalk and cheese I am afraid. The fact remains you can only compare them by what they have done head to head.....if Woryna was that much better he would have finished way ahead of Lambert in the World U21 standings. He didn't. Woryna is Polish therefore gets opportunities in the Extraliga, and of course gets rocketship bikes the best of their U21's do. Despite that he only finished six points ahead of Lambert in the world championships. It shows there isn't a lot between them at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 13 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Okay so say Chris wants to be at Somerset with Jack then, Somerset want him on loan but Matt won't agree with that. What happens then? Chris has to go to Bspa for help? And who is the chairman again? Oh yeah, Buster Chapman Chris' bff!! Love to be in the room when that happens! That isn't how it works. Chris doesn't literally go and ask for permission from Buster. Didn't a situation happen like this a few years ago also with Batchelor for Peterborough and they literally waited until March to sign him when any form of deadline had passed where they would of had to buy him out right? The asset system is dated to say the least and nobody should be forced into buying anybody. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 The logical thing would by this. But this is British speedway. Doyle and Holder both go to Somerset lambert comes to Poole freddie goes to Rye house NKI goes to Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, poolebolton said: The logical thing would by this. But this is British speedway. Doyle and Holder both go to Somerset lambert comes to Poole freddie goes to Rye house NKI goes to Lynn. I like your optimism although dont what lambert at poole ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, poolebolton said: The logical thing would by this. But this is British speedway. Doyle and Holder both go to Somerset lambert comes to Poole freddie goes to Rye house NKI goes to Lynn. Chris Holder will only end up at Somerset they the buy him as poole only want full transfer Lambert im sure wont be in the uk Freddie at Rye who knows NKI only if it suits him pure and simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, Greg said: Chris Holder will only end up at Somerset they the buy him as poole only want full transfer Lambert im sure wont be in the uk Freddie at Rye who knows NKI only if it suits him pure and simple Doesnt matter what Poole want they cannot insist on a full transfer They can hold out and be difficult but ultimately Holder will do where he wants whether poole like it or not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) Surely if Chris Holder has got his visa again then his visa application must have been 'sponsored' by a club who have given him a job as is the requirement?! Edited December 17, 2017 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Surely if Chris Holder has got his visa again then his visa application must have been 'sponsored' by a club who have given him a job as is the requirement?! Did he have to renew his visa or has he got a long term visa ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 I was told he needed to renew it in November?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Those are the rules. Always have been No there not. They weren't in 2017 (with the multiplier ) and won't be in 2018 with some being reassessed and others not. Rules on averages seem to change every season, yet bizarrely they are allowing some riders who didn't ride here in 2017 to keep their existing averages yet regrade some at the same time. Bizarre in the extreme. The hopes of eliminating clubs being able to sign a 'ringer' sadly still exist. Just when you thought the governing body was going to make the rules fair for every team. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 The rules are there for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: The rules are there for everyone. They are, and every year they seem to suit some clubs and not others. Rules should be fair and transparent. So sadly every year some promoters will sign a ringer that will alienate a lot of speedway promoters. Wolves got a lot of flak signing a ringer 'Tai' in 2016 that a lot of people, and promoters no doubt, were unhappy about. Low and behold they have closed the door on that one by reassessing Tai and riders of a similar standard. Sadly the BSPA have yet again left the door wide open to allow ringers in on false averages given how much they have improved massively since last time they were here. It's like they never learn. Rules are there for everyone, sadly some benefit and others don't. Yet again the rulings stink and yet again teams will be accused of signing ringers that give the sport less and less credibility everytime. Any teams that sign a ringer will get flak, it could have been avoided. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) They are not 'false' averages though for the likes of Woryna and others - they are just averages that some people don't like!!! Edited December 17, 2017 by Skidder1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: They are not 'false' averages though for the likes of Woryna and others - they are just averages that some people don't like!!! They are averages that do not reflect their current ability or take any consideration of their improvement (or otherwise) since they last rode here. Not blaming Poole - who are the masters of finding ringers (all within the rules) - the fault lies with the BSPA for allowing it. They have introduced a rule this season for SGP riders who didn't ride last year which I think a lot of people agree with but they haven't implemented this rule for all other riders - which would be fairer. Of course those that benefit won't see anything wrong because it gives them a big advantage over the other teams - and yes any other team can sign such riders - but it doesn't make it right! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: They are not 'false' averages though for the likes of Woryna and others - they are just averages that some people don't like!!! Yes they are 'false ' averages. they are out of date and are rendered useless in the purpose of their existence , There will always be Promoters queuing to take advantage of these inept and out dated rules.. but it doesn't make them right. If the truth be known, Ringers on ridiculous averages must be the biggest turnoff in our sport.......... They probably give an advantage to a winning team , but at what cost????....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) Poole or their fans don't care at what cost..as long as it's them that win. Edited December 17, 2017 by Baldyman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Poole or their fans don't care at what cost..as long as it's them that win. We always get the blame but Kings Lynn could have signed Szczepaniak as he is their rider and we do care. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 But we have to blame someone...it would be boring on here otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 I certainly don't blame Poole just because Matt Ford is very shrewd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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