Poole 2018

[Daniel Smith]

No Newman, no Ellis.

Are rider's taking notes that they may only be being used as cannon fodder for later gain by Ford.

[Gavan]

He didn't refuse to ride for half a season idiot

No he acted like a tart and walked out on his team that got him a deserved ban

If Woryna in 2016 had acheived a 7.5 average for Coventry, would some still be bleating he should still be re-assessed?

 

The sport has always been that promotions look for riders with improvement in them. Take away that and it sanitises the sport. All clubs look for riders who might add to their starting average. It’s the name of the game.

 

Remember Boycey and Adams starting on a 2 average. Didn’t Crump as well?

 

And some are so desperate they want CH to be re-assessed to 9? Lol!

Yes

 

The award for missing the point goes to?????

 

One rule......................if you didnt ride here in 2017 you are reassessed. All or nothing. Not just a select bunch of GP riders. Its farcical

I think Gavin will want Josh's average re-assessed now he's a Poole rider

Give it a rest fool.

 

Josh rode here last year has a perfectly good average. Bit of a strange signing in my eyes. Kurtz and Josh G as heat leaders inst that inspiring and could rule Holder out.

No Newman, no Ellis.

Are rider's taking notes that they may only be being used as cannon fodder for later gain by Ford.

I think the young Brits know exactly how things work at Poole and to further their careers have decided to move on, worked for Ellis who has a winners medal to show for it

[GWC]

 

Gavin wrote -

'I think the young Brits know exactly how things work at Poole and to further their careers have decided to move on, worked for Ellis who has a winners medal to show for it'

 

Sadly the Ford man has a terrible reputation (in my eyes) for this.

[DC2]

Welcome back to Josh G. Good solid second string. Riding at 2 or 4.

 

Nope. Signed as a heat leader

[LisaColette]

Has anyone ever thought Chris Holder might have already ruled himself out??!

[DC2]

Very happy with this signing. Welcome back Josh Grajczonek.

 

Really???? Despite the fact that in the 145 riders you have proposed for Poole, you haven’t mentioned him once???

[LisaColette]

Gavin wrote -

'I think the young Brits know exactly how things work at Poole and to further their careers have decided to move on, worked for Ellis who has a winners medal to show for it'

 

Sadly the Ford man has a terrible reputation (in my eyes) for this.

Depends if you go for long term or instant success (but then you are swapping riders about all the time). But I think Matt does it differently with different riders, cos with Brady he's been in the team because of the long term success/potential but people like Ellis and Newman it is what they do at the current time, that's why they have been in and out.

[poolebolton]

Depends if you go for long term or instant success (but then you are swapping riders about all the time). But I think Matt does it differently with different riders, cos with Brady he's been in the team because of the long term success/potential but people like Ellis and Newman it is what they do at the current time, that's why they have been in and out.

 

 

Ellis is the only British rider to really prove Matt wrong! Has Newman become a heat leader or even a second string! No he hasnt. Think Matt has made the correct decision.

[DC2]

 

Fact is, Poole sacked Newman while Swindon stood by Ellis despite him not being an asset. Poole have always gone for pragmatism - or indeed sharp practice - rather than loyalty.

[LisaColette]

2 signings today?

Two signings on Mon according to the Echo and they will be at the Pirates shop on Tues. And the old fave he is referring to definitely has to be Chris Holder.

[ray c]

I think Gavin will want Josh's average re-assessed now he's a Poole rider

I think your talking rubbish personally sorry to say

[GWC]

Depends if you go for long term or instant success (but then you are swapping riders about all the time). But I think Matt does it differently with different riders, cos with Brady he's been in the team because of the long term success/potential but people like Ellis and Newman it is what they do at the current time, that's why they have been in and out.

You are probably correct Lisa but it is this short term merry go round that again (in my eyes) has brought speedway to the problems we have now.

Little or no investment in UK riders has been the promoting strategy for the past 10 years and now we are left with a few top riders who command the highest price to ride.

For every Ward or Holder you need others to fill the team and this majority have been used and abused far too readily.

[hagonshocker]

Info was watching him live on tv riding at number one for Rybnik.

We used to use Malcolm Holloway at one once but he wasn't a number one!

[Grachan]

Thinking about Woryna's average, and the issue of GP riders being assessed upwards.

 

Riders like Zagar and Woffinden rode in the old race format where heatleaders met each other more often, hence falsely low averages.

 

By the same token, Woryna rode as a reserve or second string - and would have avoided heatleaders. So, if anything, would his average not be too high?

 

So, should he not be assessed lower than his actual average based on 2016?

[theblueboy]

Thinking about Woryna's average, and the issue of GP riders being assessed upwards.

 

Riders like Zagar and Woffinden rode in the old race format where heatleaders met each other more often, hence falsely low averages.

 

By the same token, Woryna rode as a reserve or second string - and would have avoided heatleaders. So, if anything, would his average not be too high?

 

So, should he not be assessed lower than his actual average based on 2016?

 

There is a distinct lack of Christmas cheer on this thread without chucking in this little beauty...

[Bald Bloke]

Thinking about Woryna's average, and the issue of GP riders being assessed upwards.

 

Riders like Zagar and Woffinden rode in the old race format where heatleaders met each other more often, hence falsely low averages.

 

By the same token, Woryna rode as a reserve or second string - and would have avoided heatleaders. So, if anything, would his average not be too high?

 

So, should he not be assessed lower than his actual average based on 2016?

Right where's me popcorn

[foreverblue]

Not happy about signing Josh G he is a good rider but not improving, can't see putting anything on his average and will let you down when you need him most. Much rather have Hans Andersen personally

Shame about Newman going to to Leicester again, great signing for them and could put at least a point on his average.

[Bald Bloke]

Not happy about signing Josh G he is a good rider but not improving, can't see putting anything on his average and will let you down when you need him most. Much rather have Hans Andersen personally

I agree with that.But I think you've got Holder to come.

[Sidney the robin]

Fact is, Poole sacked Newman while Swindon stood by Ellis despite him not being an asset. Poole have always gone for pragmatism - or indeed sharp practice - rather than loyalty.

Ford made four moves that did not improve Poole's fortunes in 2017 Kerr,Zengota,Starke,Lahti needs to do better next year. Edited December 6, 2017 by Sidney the robin

[Gavan]

Ford made four moves that did not improve Poole's fortunes in 2017 Kerr,Zengota,Starke,Lahti needs to do better next year.

Kennett?