Gavan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Rubbish. Anyway no point going over this again. you brought it up! Did the other 12 riders refuse to race? No, including serial moaner KK Chris Holder also had a great race with his brother as well. The track was rideable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 You have no personallity. I was joking that's why I put the emoji there Jeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Doyle was always going places. Injuries held him back imo. Not “always”, no. Jason was always second best to Chris Holder at IOW and slipped further behind at Poole, lacking the basic skill of staying on his bike. At Somerset in the lower league his gating was good enough to make him a top rider, but in the Elite League he suffered from reckless moves, too much leg-trailing and a lack of concentration. It was only at Birmingham that he tidied himself up and went from second string to number 1. I suspect then that he realised that with a bit more fitness, focus and hard work he could be a top international rider. And he did it. Similar to Tai, who was going backwards until he focused. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesR Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Teams are all signed and sealed very early. Promoters just announce riders at different times to get maximum publicity for there clubs therefore all riders have enough time to get sponsorship sorted. Riders announce on twitter that there looking for a team spot very early because promoters know what team they want and what riders are signed u I can just imagine a new rider agreeing to join the team, having a meeting with a prospective sponsor a couple of weeks later, all goes well and they reach an agreement, then the rider says " Thank you very much for the sponsership, but you mustn't tell anyone for 2 or 3 months because I will not be officially named in the team until the end of February! " 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 no your not right its all about opinion. your promoter does it one way and many others do it another way. do you honestly think that by Ipswich announcing their 1-7 tomorrow will have an impact on the season??? get in the real world. Ipswich are promoting the club non stop at the moment in conjunction with the football team. The riders are going out on corporate events from now until the start of the season, going out meeting fans at various functions. Thats something that cant be done if you havent announced your riders. Makes no difference how you announce your side and Ipswich are getting the riders involved with the fans from now until March. There is no right or wrong way so get back in your box Personally, I’m looking forward to seeing the Ipswich team announced tomorrow, just wish Poole would announce even 1 rider for next year!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Personally, I’m looking forward to seeing the Ipswich team announced tomorrow, just wish Poole would announce even 1 rider for next year!! They have. Kacper Woryna has been declared in the 1-7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 They have. Kacper Woryna has been declared in the 1-7 WOW - hold the back page of the nationals 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 They have. Kacper Woryna has been declared in the 1-7 Where exactly.....nothing on the official website or in the local press (Bournemouth Echo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) There is only half a dozen British riders who's careers could go somewhere on the European tracks. No point in giving riders like Auty, S. Lambert & Robson team spots in the top flight because they've been around for ages and never got anywhere. Just a waste of a team place in the top flight. Let them all ride in the Championship whilst the Premiership can sign up and coming Poles and Swedes to put on a good show. The Polish produce world class riders regularly. So giving them a team spot is actually going to further there careers. You dont half talk some crap😜 ent got a clue comes to mind. Edited November 25, 2017 by Sidney the robin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 They have. Kacper Woryna has been declared in the 1-7 Not true according to Ned Payne.Personally, Im looking forward to seeing the Ipswich team announced tomorrow, just wish Poole would announce even 1 rider for next year!!Before Matt was a Poole promoter, one year (can't remember which!) they didn't announce anyone til February! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 You dont half talk some crap ent got a clue comes to mind. Stating facts again. What have riders like Auty, Robson & S. Lambert done in there careers? Not true according to Ned Payne. Before Matt was a Poole promoter, one year (can't remember which!) they didn't announce anyone til February! On the Speedway GB website as a declared rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Stating facts again. What have riders like Auty, Robson & S. Lambert done in there careers? On the Speedway GB website as a declared rider. so because they havent hit the dizzy heights they shouldnt be allowed in the top flight??? you speak total crap!!! Stuart Robson was British number two in 2001 finishing ahead of Dugard, Havvy, Nicholls, Stoney, Louis, Wilson, Smith, Rico, Norris and Barker. Yes he isnt as good as he was so in your mind he should be thrown out of the league for a young foreigner!!! You are talking total total rubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Not “always”, no. Jason was always second best to Chris Holder at IOW and slipped further behind at Poole, lacking the basic skill of staying on his bike. At Somerset in the lower league his gating was good enough to make him a top rider, but in the Elite League he suffered from reckless moves, too much leg-trailing and a lack of concentration. It was only at Birmingham that he tidied himself up and went from second string to number 1. I suspect then that he realised that with a bit more fitness, focus and hard work he could be a top international rider. And he did it. Similar to Tai, who was going backwards until he focused. A very good summary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Ok its now 4.30 p.m and the reports were that both MF & NM would be at the pop up shop today for its opening. I assume therefore plenty of opportunity for all those that live locally to ask some searching questions of both assuming that Matt and Neil talk to each other. There are questions they could have been asked without giving away the full team. Questions such as: Has the 2 Brit rue been abolished for 2018?? and if so is there any rule i.e must there be 1 Brit or no need to have any Brits ?? Has Woryna who is now a Club asset (I assume) been given his 2016 GSA i.e 4.65 (Not too difficult a question to ask and doesn't actually say if he is in the team or not, Just asks for clarification of his GSA Has Matt now been given a list of the riders GSA's he may want to sign. What will young overseas riders say under 21 who have never ridden in UK be given as assessed GSA'S ?? Similar question to say riders over 21 who have never ridden in UK like KP of Leicester - Similar question for riders such as Vaculik Will riders who last rode here in 2016 still be assessed as per their 2016 GSA. Also what about riders who rode here before 2016 like both Pawlickis and numerous others one could list. If I didn't live over 3.25 to 3.75 hours from Poole and lived locally, these are the kind of questions I would have been firing at both Matt & Neil. I would not expect them of course to name riders but it would at least give some clarification of some of the info we are all a bit short on. So far I have seen nothing posted on the Poole 2018 BSF to indicate anyone has even been to the shop let alone asked any questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Quite a few in the shop today. Matt was there a gent as always. No sarcasm please. Middlo was just leaving for work when I got there. So I bought my son a top. Good price as well really. I bought a metal badge and stickers for the car. The badge on the clothing is on the large size however. I know a couple of things nobody else probably does yet....... Re sponsorship for Poole and about TV deal for next season..... The latter is no deal and the former is as you were from 2017. As for the other questions above you'll have to wait till they want to tell you. Well on the TV deal that doesn't say if there is not a deal period or just that there isn't one yet as I would have thought BT wanted to know outcome and details of the AGM before entering into discussions with the BSPA if they are interested to continue in some format. I would expect hat to come out later or if no deal at all, then in line with anything negative on Speedway the BSPA will just stay silent. As for the sponsorship comment that surprises me as I got the impression (maybe I am wrong) that the Volvo deal may only be a fraction of what the previous multiple season deal was. Also a little confused as Matt Ford's own comments in the Echo stated and I quote: “There are some very exciting things in the pipeline, bigger and better things than have ever happened before. I didn't think he meant riders as he then went on to mention new personnel coming on board in the sentence below the above. As for the comment re my other questions that I will have to read the Speedway Star.... Is it only the Speedway Star then that is allowed access to what should be fairly standard information on the sport. If such information is known on the 2 Brit rule and riders assessed av etc then I cant see why its such a secret. Even what the guidelines are would be better than a total lack on information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Dont let him wind you gav i know it's so annoying you just cant help it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 so because they havent hit the dizzy heights they shouldnt be allowed in the top flight??? you speak total crap!!! Stuart Robson was British number two in 2001 finishing ahead of Dugard, Havvy, Nicholls, Stoney, Louis, Wilson, Smith, Rico, Norris and Barker. Yes he isnt as good as he was so in your mind he should be thrown out of the league for a young foreigner!!! You are talking total total rubbish Who said they shouldn't be allowed in the top league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 No wishing about it. Matt was left very dissapointed last season. And the season before. Similar to Tai, who was going backwards until he focused. Not sure Tai was ever going backwards. He increased his average year on year till 2013. I'd say he more of less maintained that promise but delivered in 2013. Otherwise good summary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Ok its now 4.30 p.m and the reports were that both MF & NM would be at the pop up shop today for its opening. I assume therefore plenty of opportunity for all those that live locally to ask some searching questions of both assuming that Matt and Neil talk to each other. There are questions they could have been asked without giving away the full team. Questions such as: Has the 2 Brit rue been abolished for 2018?? and if so is there any rule i.e must there be 1 Brit or no need to have any Brits ?? Has Woryna who is now a Club asset (I assume) been given his 2016 GSA i.e 4.65 (Not too difficult a question to ask and doesn't actually say if he is in the team or not, Just asks for clarification of his GSA Has Matt now been given a list of the riders GSA's he may want to sign. What will young overseas riders say under 21 who have never ridden in UK be given as assessed GSA'S ?? Similar question to say riders over 21 who have never ridden in UK like KP of Leicester - Similar question for riders such as Vaculik Will riders who last rode here in 2016 still be assessed as per their 2016 GSA. Also what about riders who rode here before 2016 like both Pawlickis and numerous others one could list. If I didn't live over 3.25 to 3.75 hours from Poole and lived locally, these are the kind of questions I would have been firing at both Matt & Neil. I would not expect them of course to name riders but it would at least give some clarification of some of the info we are all a bit short on. So far I have seen nothing posted on the Poole 2018 BSF to indicate anyone has even been to the shop let alone asked any questions. I was there as well. No point in asking questions we will know soon enough.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Stating facts again. What have riders like Auty, Robson & S. Lambert done in there careers? On the Speedway GB website as a declared rider. I think the SGB website is a bit premature, the club hasn't announced it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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