Bagpuss Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Indeed, it seems that this 'rule' doesn't actually exist despite more than one promoter and rider believing that it did. Not at all in keeping with the open, honest, transparent and uncomplicated way that British speedway is run 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Two promotions openly discussed the fictitious rule. One promotion kept quiet about it and one promotion had to change their plans. The rest weren’t bothered as it didn’t effect them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, INCOGNITO said: Yes they make the rules and the rule is ANY rider that has been a regular GP rider in the last three seasons or currently a GP rider that has an old average below 8.00 will be reassessed at 8.00 unless they rode in Britain in 2017. While Kildemand has had many appearances as a standby reserve he was a full GP rider in 2016 and therefore should carry an 8.00 average rather than the 7.10 average. The he annoying part is that Poole were one of the most outspoken and put in these clauses at the AGM and then go against them. so if it's not right, why have the bspa not blocked the move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Arthur Fry said: so if it's not right, why have the bspa not blocked the move Unfortunately when a sport is corrupt and therefore clubs are treated differently questions like that are irrelevant. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 don't understand the song and dance, he's only a temporary replacement, does he make Poole stronger, I don't think so, noddy any day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, INCOGNITO said: Yes they make the rules and the rule is ANY rider that has been a regular GP rider in the last three seasons or currently a GP rider that has an old average below 8.00 will be reassessed at 8.00 unless they rode in Britain in 2017. While Kildemand has had many appearances as a standby reserve he was a full GP rider in 2016 and therefore should carry an 8.00 average rather than the 7.10 average. The he annoying part is that Poole were one of the most outspoken and put in these clauses at the AGM and then go against them. if im not wrong didnt kildermand ride in brittan last year ? sure he did a few meetings for someone probaly not enough to change his average but might just qualify that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said: don't understand the song and dance, he's only a temporary replacement, does he make Poole stronger, I don't think so, noddy any day So a Holder who isnt in the right frame of mind, has seen his form nosedive over the last 2 seasons is actually a stronger rider right now then Kildemand??? Kildemand over Holder every day of the week right now, Holder has loads to prove 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said: don't understand the song and dance, he's only a temporary replacement, does he make Poole stronger, I don't think so, noddy any day So you still think he's a temporary replacement. Let's wait & see. I get the feeling he will not be back for a while, if at all this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, DunRobin said: So you still think he's a temporary replacement. Let's wait & see. I get the feeling he will not be back for a while, if at all this season. In which case his value of £25,000 will be shot to bits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said: don't understand the song and dance, he's only a temporary replacement, does he make Poole stronger, I don't think so, noddy any day It's about the playing field being level and everyone getting treated fairly rather than riders making teams stronger or not. Without integrity the competition is a complete waste of time. Not saying that's the case here but it would be interesting to know where the 'GP rider 8 point rule' idea came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Can you point me in the direction of where this appears officially in the 2018 rules please!? It’s next to the rule that says you can achieve an average after only 2h & 2a meetings (Max Clegg) or the rule where a club is fined and docked 3 points for a bogus call off. Last year a rider was stopped from riding for seven days after missing a meeting due to illness. The rule is in the rulebook in bold meaning its new for this year, even though it was applied last year? Some “rules” are written some are not as this allows fluidity in their interpretation dependant on which team is involved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) There are some really uptight people on this forum. Funnily enough, Poole is not the only club in this league, i suggest you go on your own threads and have a whinge about your own clubs short comings. like having no ambition. So come October as your club is floundering in mid table obscurity you will have something else to moan about. But no you will still turn to the Poole thread... Its nice to be liked... Perhaps you are all closet Poole fans, i mean, we are the most successful club in mordern speedway so it stands to sense Edited April 2, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 59 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Please direct us to that ruling in the 2018 rule book. This has already been explained to you all by Gordon Pairman. It's just below the regulation that says Woryna and Szczepaniak can come back on ancient historic averages, whilst others can't. Give us a shout when you've located those regulations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, Gavan said: So a Holder who isnt in the right frame of mind, has seen his form nosedive over the last 2 seasons is actually a stronger rider right now then Kildemand??? Kildemand over Holder every day of the week right now, Holder has loads to prove and he will, Gavan you will be eating your words come the end of season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: There are some really uptight people on this forum. Funnily enough, Poole is not the only club in this league, i suggest you go on your own threads and have a whinge about your own clubs short comings. like having no ambition. So come October as your club is floundering in mid table obscurity you will have something else to moan about. But no you will still turn to the Poole thread... Its nice to be liked... Perhaps you are all closet Poole fans, i mean, we are the most successful club in mordern speedway so it stands to sense Nobody is whinging about their own clubs shortcomings they are whinging about Poole which they are quite entitled to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 31 minutes ago, DunRobin said: So you still think he's a temporary replacement. Let's wait & see. I get the feeling he will not be back for a while, if at all this season. even if he's not, it won't be kilderman, he's already said not interested in a full season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, ouch said: Last year a rider was stopped from riding for seven days after missing a meeting due to illness. The rule is in the rulebook in bold meaning its new for this year, even though it was applied last year? Some “rules” are written some are not as this allows fluidity in their interpretation dependant on which team is involved. Last year it was discretionary and correctly applied. This year it's compulsory. ...and we get it. The sole purpose of British speedway, the BSPA and the SCB regulations is to mess with the minds of a few paranoid residents of the Manchester area. 2 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: It's just below the regulation that says Woryna and Szczepaniak can come back on ancient historic averages, whilst others can't. Give us a shout when you've located those regulations. "as per the grading list" which at one time was administered by Peter Oakes and may well still be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Nobody is whinging about their own clubs shortcomings they are whinging about Poole which they are quite entitled to do. And no doubt they will moan again in October... bless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: There are some really uptight people on this forum. Funnily enough, Poole is not the only club in this league, i suggest you go on your own threads and have a whinge about your own clubs short comings. like having no ambition. So come October as your club is floundering in mid table obscurity you will have something else to moan about. But no you will still turn to the Poole thread... Its nice to be liked... Perhaps you are all closet Poole fans, i mean, we are the most successful club in mordern speedway so it stands to sense hence the 440 pages and counting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 You say discretionary I say fluidity. Glad we can agree. Sole purpose - no, that’s just silly. I like it when speedway fans call you out and you say show us the rule. We then quote a rule for you to find and suddenly it doesn’t matter. Discretionary way to stick to your guns, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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