Starman2006 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Peter Kildermand has said he expects to do 4-6 meetings so that will mean he does a few league meetings as well as the cup meetings. Where did you see that mate ? Edit, he said he would CONSIDER a longer spell with poole, nothing about 4-6 meetings.. Edited March 26, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: And reading the last few posts you wonder why Poole fans get defensive about our club. Say enough rubbish enough times and people actually start to believe it! Here’s a fact for you. Poole use the same rules as every other club. The problem is, the majority of the other clubs are owned by promoters who just don’t have the same savvy/money/ability/dedicated time to compete and that’s why over the last 20 years Poole have become the most successful club. Nothing will change because there’s currently not another promoter out there as dedicated to the sport as Matt Ford. It’s a fact. It’s his full time job and he demands success. As Middlo said at P&P, many clubs would see making the playoffs a successful season, but to Poole it was abject failure to bomb out in the semis. It’s up to other promotions to raise their game. If they were all of the same ilk as Ford the sport would be in a healthy state in the UK. What really riles me about the current state of speedway is a team that has assets pleantiful probably to the detriment of other clubs and doesn’t want to use them. Smacks of plain profiteering in a troubled (speedway) world. And before the culprits on here come back with ‘ oh its Fords clever methods’ it doesn’t wash with a lot of people and hence the posts you receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, geoff58 said: nothing confirmed by BSPA yet !! It has been - It's on the greensheet list with Kildemand in the Poole side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, geoff58 said: nothing confirmed by BSPA yet !! They were waiting for a text!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Matt did say kildermand would do 4 to 6 meetings and he has said that himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: And reading the last few posts you wonder why Poole fans get defensive about our club. Say enough rubbish enough times and people actually start to believe it! Here’s a fact for you. Poole use the same rules as every other club. The problem is, the majority of the other clubs are owned by promoters who just don’t have the same savvy/money/ability/dedicated time to compete and that’s why over the last 20 years Poole have become the most successful club. Nothing will change because there’s currently not another promoter out there as dedicated to the sport as Matt Ford. It’s a fact. It’s his full time job and he demands success. As Middlo said at P&P, many clubs would see making the playoffs a successful season, but to Poole it was abject failure to bomb out in the semis. It’s up to other promotions to raise their game. If they were all of the same ilk as Ford the sport would be in a healthy state in the UK. Didn't a couple of teams try and 'up their game' not so long ago. How did that end up for the speedway family? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: And reading the last few posts you wonder why Poole fans get defensive about our club. Say enough rubbish enough times and people actually start to believe it! Here’s a fact for you. Poole use the same rules as every other club. The problem is, the majority of the other clubs are owned by promoters who just don’t have the same savvy/money/ability/dedicated time to compete and that’s why over the last 20 years Poole have become the most successful club. Nothing will change because there’s currently not another promoter out there as dedicated to the sport as Matt Ford. It’s a fact. It’s his full time job and he demands success. As Middlo said at P&P, many clubs would see making the playoffs a successful season, but to Poole it was abject failure to bomb out in the semis. It’s up to other promotions to raise their game. If they were all of the same ilk as Ford the sport would be in a healthy state in the UK. I think you will find Leicester have up there game this season with new owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Personally, I don't see that Matt Ford or Poole do a lot wrong. In many ways Ford reminds me of the late Ian Thomas as both tend(ed) to upset people (but not worry about it) due to: pushing rules (which are the same for everyone) to the limit, signing the best riders available to them and wishing to do the very best they can in order to promote their club(s) and make them successful.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Aces51 Posted March 26, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 The most progressive development in UK speedway in recent years was the building of the NSS, which took more effort and determination than anything Matt Ford has achieved and if you're looking for promotions who have raised their game you may want to consider Glasgow, Isle of Wight, the present Belle Vue promotion and maybe others as well. They have managed it without creating the controversy that always seems to surround Poole and are trying to move the sport forward in ways that benefit not just themselves but the sport at large. Matt Ford has done an excellent job for Poole but little to benefit UK speedway. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 18 hours ago, Grachan said: It's the club at fault just as much as the rider. They would be his sponsor and they would know he needs a visa. They should have checked on this too. I'm sure I remember reading on here a few months ago that Matt Ford was helping him with his visa application 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Aces51 said: The most progressive development in UK speedway in recent years was the building of the NSS, which took more effort and determination than anything Matt Ford has achieved and if you're looking for promotions who have raised their game you may want to consider Glasgow, Isle of Wight, the present Belle Vue promotion and maybe others as well. They have managed it without creating the controversy that always seems to surround Poole and are trying to move the sport forward in ways that benefit not just themselves but the sport at large. Matt Ford has done an excellent job for Poole but little to benefit UK speedway. Agree Glasgow & IOW turned their club around big-style and what Morton & Co achieved at Belle Vue in getting that marvelous stadium & track built is nothing short of fantastic.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 35 minutes ago, martinmauger said: Personally, I don't see that Matt Ford or Poole do a lot wrong. In many ways Ford reminds me of the late Ian Thomas as both tend(ed) to upset people (but not worry about it) due to: pushing rules (which are the same for everyone) to the limit, signing the best riders available to them and wishing to do the very best they can in order to promote their club(s) and make them successful.... I think this is the bone of contention for most people. It seems like one rule for Poole and another for everyone else. Of course, the main culprit is the lack of transparency and consistency from within the BSPA which doesn't help the feeling that Poole get special treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GWC said: What really riles me about the current state of speedway is a team that has assets pleantiful probably to the detriment of other clubs and doesn’t want to use them. Smacks of plain profiteering in a troubled (speedway) world. And before the culprits on here come back with ‘ oh its Fords clever methods’ it doesn’t wash with a lot of people and hence the posts you receive. Nevermind mate, if other promoters had the same foresight years ago they could have done the same. No excuses.. Matt uses what he feels is right for the team at the time.. nothing wrong with that either.. Oh, and he never stands still. Where's a lot of promotions dont even move. other clubs fans should be having a go at there said promoters, not Matt. Edited March 26, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, martinmauger said: Agree Glasgow & IOW turned their club around big-style and what Morton & Co achieved at Belle Vue in getting that marvelous stadium & track built is nothing short of fantastic.... Yeh, but it wouldnt have come cheap, Ask Mort and Dave Gordon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Nevermind mate, if other promoters had the same foresight years ago they could have done the same. No excuses.. Matt uses what he feels is right for the team at the time.. nothing wrong with that either.. Oh, and he never stands still. Where's a lot of promotions dont even move. other clubs fans should be having a go at there said promoters, not Matt. And there you are the predictable reply! ..’Nothing wrong with that’.... Ask Rye House how their negotiations went to use KK this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Call me wolfie said: I'm sure I remember reading on here a few months ago that Matt Ford was helping him with his visa application Unfortunately, he was looking at the wrong rule book.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 42 minutes ago, GWC said: And there you are the predictable reply! ..’Nothing wrong with that’.... Ask Rye House how their negotiations went to use KK this season. Well, if he rides as well for you as he did for us he'l be useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 59 minutes ago, MattK said: I think this is the bone of contention for most people. It seems like one rule for Poole and another for everyone else. Of course, the main culprit is the lack of transparency and consistency from within the BSPA which doesn't help the feeling that Poole get special treatment. We dont get special treatment, its the same for all clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Starman2006 said: We dont get special treatment, its the same for all clubs. Is it though? Why are Zagar, Woffinden and P Pawlicki a 9, but Kildemand returns on his old average? Why are the riders above re-assessed but other non-GP riders, who just happened to have sign for Poole, not re-assessed? I agree it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but without any transparency from the BSPA about how rules are applied, I can understand how some fans think it looks like favouritism. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 48 minutes ago, GWC said: And there you are the predictable reply! ..’Nothing wrong with that’.... Ask Rye House how their negotiations went to use KK this season. I think that deal was interesting due to Value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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