Gavan Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BurntFaceMan said: I can't wait to quote all these posts back to you in the future. Anybody (well... clearly not quite) can see that Kurtz has heaps of talent under his belt, he's just developing his groove. Darcy Ward was another rider who was very up and down, and he went on to be the best rider to grace a speedway bike in decades. Stop slagging the lad off and just wait and see. So boring to see you determined to bring everybody down a peg. Does your wife wear the trousers or something? Please please please find me the post where i have slagged Kurtz off??? Ive said he has more potential than most riders Ive said his form means he should dominate the Aussie champs The only thing he needs to curb is the odd bad ride ....like he keeps doing in Aus and had a habit of doing last season, which many Poole fans have agreed with me on. Ive also said on paper he is one of the weakest number ones in the league but he has the most potential. If you take that as 'slagging off' then you are very easily bruised. I dont wish to bring everyone down a peg or two..............just the 3 or 4 Poole fans on here .....the majority are fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 12:16 PM, Gavan said: agreed great rider but as i said earlier is prone to the odd silly ride......often gets 3 wins and then a 2 and a 0 for example or gets himself excluded. Cut those out and could be top of the averages On 1/10/2018 at 12:25 PM, STEVEHOLS54 said: Agreed Gav. Its something I also noticed with him last year. Problem we have with Brady is too many still make comparisons with Darcy Ward which of course the sensible amongst us know he is not. But the better he performs the comparisons with many die hard Poole fans is the more he is compared which I think is unfair being that 2017 was only his second in the Prem. But suppose when you have had Holder who WAS a W/C and was so good for so long and also Darcy being the phenomenon he was, there will always be the comparisons and pressure when riding for the same team so closely behind those 2 legends. Also having done so much in respect of his AV in such a short period. I really do hope that others like Woryna do step up to back him up as also maybe Holder and if signed Sundstrom and even Josh G as its unfair for him to be thrust in the deep end so young. But suppose if you have got the talent you ultimately have to live up to it. 2 hours ago, Gavan said: Why should Fricke be the best rider? Kurtz outperformed him last season by over half a point and is the better long term prospect. Kurtz is a number one rider and Fricke is a second or third heat leader. As said Kurtz should be winning this aussie title at a canter without Doyle and Morris there. But i agree Fricke has underperformed out there so far. 4 hours ago, Gavan said: Kurtz does seem to have an issue in being able to close meetings out. Wins all his races then mucks up or chokes when it matters, bit like the play offs 3,2,3 then with Poole only 4 or 5 behind (cant remember which) he runs 2 last places. Cuts out the mistakes and could challenge Doyle or Morris as the best rider in the league this season couldnt be bothered to go through it all. but quite clearly ive not slagged Kurtz off and quite nice for a Poole fan to agree and chat like a normal human being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Fricke is quality, it's pretty plain to see. I wouldn't use Aussie championships as much of a barometer, averages from the Polish, Swedish and British top divisions are a better indication. World U21 results where applicable are also a good gauge. If you can beat the cream of the Polish youngsters on their missile bikes then you have got something about you. He hasn't really lit up any league lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, geoff58 said: at least he has been a world under 21 champ with some decent poles in it !!! Well the new Leicester recruit was second, be interesting to see how he gets on over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, foreverblue said: He hasn't really lit up any league lately. Many forget how far Fricke has come in the sport for one of only 21. He has won the Aussie U21 a few times - was World U21 Champ and has also been in teams that won their respective leagues in DK/SWE & POL (Nice1), the season before last. For me just as with Brady Kurtz, people expect big things so early in their Speedway careers, sometimes using Dacy Ward as the example which for me is completely unfair as Darcy was a rare talent we many never see the likes of again. Speedway riders develop at different rates. You had one extreme with young Darcy and at the other extreme was a late developing Jason Doyle. Would anyone say 5/6/7 years ago have thought this guy would ever really be a WC (should have been twice but for injury cruelly robbing him in 2016). It doesn't mean that just because you arrive on the scene and hit the big time so young that you will in those early years be a World beater. Some riders take time to mature, and with Fricke having achieved so much at such a young age, he needs to find consistency now riding regular against the Worlds top riders. That will surely come as he rides more against them in the major leagues i.e POL/SWE/UK. Similar situation with Brady. He is kind or thrown in at the deep end at 21 as number one and personally I wish he had been just short of 8 points and a recognised heat leader like a Pawlicki (himself only 23) had been number one. The new one over 8 rule put paid to that so he is there due to circumstances. I don't expect Brady to put too much on his av this year with the addl pressures of now being regular in POL and his new venture into SWE. This is a year of hopeful improvement but more about consolidating himself against the top riders in Europe. He now has to get used to a situ like POL SUN - Poss UK meeting MON - SWE Tue - Poole,or another UK meeting WED. That in itself brings pressure so for me from a Poole perspective it is up to the other riders in 2018 to pull their weight so it doesn't all fall on his head when he has those odd difficult/bad rides which all young riders have now and then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Gavan said: Had a reduction because he hasnt ridden over here not hard to understand that. Pawlicki has ridden over here and was in the gp's last season so wont get a reduction..............surely even you can work that out This is Speedway and the BSPA Gavan. Anything can happen at any given moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 riders seem to be more evenly balanced on the Australian tracks, but put some of those riders on UK tracks and they wouldn't get anywhere near Kurtz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: Vaculik was given a reduction because he's not ridden over here before Speedway is just corrupt period. All GP riders 9.00 except Vaculik. Come on now. Edited January 12, 2018 by Matt Ford Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Aroundtheboards said: Sorry ! Were you talking through the chair or that which you place on it ???!!! A lot of fans took the pee out of the Somerset ones not just me! The Poole ones looks like a bit of effort went into it, which is a good sign as they don't tend to put too much into social media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Gavan said: As i have said Brady Kurtz should be dominating the Aussie champs.............being a number one over here means he shouldnt really be beaten at all against top flight second strings and second or third heat leaders. I havent once said he isnt dominating , ive simply said he is doing what he should be doing....... My post is that Brady Kurtz is doing what he should be doing he is beating inferior riders...but as usual finds a way to blow the races that matter. Please tell me how and where i have trolled please. I said Brady Kurtz should be dominating and he is. Ive said he is blowing the big races and he is. Ive said its easier for him as the 2 best Aussies, Doyle and Morris arent there. None of that is trolling. Oh and as for your abusive language ive reported you byeee Makes a change from you being reported eh Gavan. Considering all the abusive language and name calling you have used in the past, you really don't have a leg to stand on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Thing is, Pirates Bleeding Blue called Gavan out for slagging off Kurtz in the Aussie Championship. Gavan denies he did but it was clear he was having a dig at Kurtz. We all read it on here. But he had to back track and deny he was slagging Kurtz off and ‘we all read it wrong’, after Kurtz has hardly dropped a point all championship. Gavan wasn’t slagging him off after all, even though it looked to everyone else that he was, and that being beaten by a second string etc should never happen, even though it happens in virtually every meeting with any top rider. Pirate Bleeds Blue smack on the money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Thing is, Pirates Bleeding Blue called Gavan out for slagging off Kurtz in the Aussie Championship. Gavan denies he did but it was clear he was having a dig at Kurtz. We all read it on here. But he had to back track and deny he was slagging Kurtz off and ‘we all read it wrong’, after Kurtz has hardly dropped a point all championship. Gavan wasn’t slagging him off after all, even though it looked to everyone else that he was, and that being beaten by a second string etc should never happen, even though it happens in virtually every meeting with any top rider. Pirate Bleeds Blue smack on the money. ah bless you had to jump in didnt you. ok you obviously dont understand things so let me spell it out. Brady Kurtz on all known form and averages is clearly the stand out rider in the Aussie champs. Yes or No? Brady Kurtz is the only elite league number one riding in the Aussie champs. Yes or No Brady Kurtz has dominated the Aussie champs. Yes or No Brady Kurtz keeps falling at the final hurdle in all 3 rounds. Yes or No Not once have i slagged Kurtz off as a rider! He keeps making mistakes at crucial times...............a fact that has been backed up by real Poole fans. Ive said if he cuts those out he could be as good as Doyle or Morris this season coming........how is that slagging him off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Makes a change from you being reported eh Gavan. Considering all the abusive language and name calling you have used in the past, you really don't have a leg to stand on. find where ive used abusive language apart from numpty and moron please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Both Poles are going to do very well. You should catch up with some Polish meetings on Youtube. Plenty there to see their potential. Think Woryna will be challenging for heat leader next season. Are they as good as Kasprzak who averaged 4.5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just shut the hell up you childish morons grow the fk up 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Gavan said: find where ive used abusive language apart from numpty and moron please Pretty much any 'debate' if you can call it that you've had with Starman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Easy to say that but I doubt anyone would have expected KK to be so pathetic. KK is often pathetic. So yes if was highly predictable. 6 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I see that Brady went through the card again in the latest round of the Aussie Championship. He really is a cut above the opposition in this event. If he was a 'cut above' he would have scored maximums and won all 3 rounds and not had costly non finishes. A rider that is level of points with another rider isn't by any definition a 'cut above'. 3 hours ago, Bleeds Pirate Blue said: @Gavan I knew you'd report me. Not really fussed. You and others (Matt Ford Fan, please stand up) make this forum a cesspit that is barely worth participating in. I occasionally read it rather be an active member because of your direct behaviour, and that of others. I stand by what I said. You're a troll and a t*sser. To quote a mutual acquaintance, do us a favour and go play in traffic. < That should be enough to get a slight ban I guess, but oh noes. woe is me. In fairness if you insult the poster you deserve to be reported, it's against the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 This thread is ok until gavan comes back on it then it goes into lets dig at every poole rider,you don't see any poole fans go on the Ipswich thread bleating on about how he's got beatan by him,he shudnt be beat by him hes a no1 and the other guy is a 2nd string blah blah blah why dont you focus ur attention on how ipswich are going to massive chumps again next season and win nothing again LMAO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Gavan said: yes like when i said KK would flop or when i said Poole would lose to Rye House at home or when i said it was wrong to sack Newman or when i said Poole would make top 4 but not win the league any more you need? I just love how some Poole fans love their side while slagging off all the others. That happened last season and was quite funny when it all blew up. Pooles 1-7 looks good enough again for top 4...............but not title winners yet You've got 6000 plus posts and you've only quoted 4 things so you've got a way to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEWISCOUCH Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 10 hours ago, A ORLOV said: I see your number one rider has been beaten yet again in Australia by a second string rider. sorry who is top of the leader board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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