Poole 2018

[Najjer]

16 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Matt isn't the manager though! Unless it was one of the times he stepped in for Middlo. As I've said before most people would get a warning/sacked if they spoke that way to their boss like Jack did to Matt. Glad he's not back tbh 

So you keep saying like a broken record.... what exactly did he say then, as you keep missing that bit of information out?

[SteveLyric2]

Despite Hans tweeting before Christmas that he is unlikely to be lining up for the Pirates, things may not have gone to Matt's preferred plan.  Either way Hans has always had Poole-based sponsors wherever he's ridden (Meridian Lifts) so may simply be calling in en-route to Leicester?!

[STEVEHOLS54]

59 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Despite Hans tweeting before Christmas that he is unlikely to be lining up for the Pirates, things may not have gone to Matt's preferred plan.  Either way Hans has always had Poole-based sponsors wherever he's ridden (Meridian Lifts) so may simply be calling in en-route to Leicester?!

Will he get in at Leicester ??. According to Forum comments on the Leicester Topic they only have about 7.15 left after their 2 new riders have been assessed. Leicester Speedway twitter says Vaculik at 8.00 and Piesz at 6.50. Andersen can't and depending on how one Leicester riders GSA is assessed lower down the order maybe Holder cant either ??

On other news - Sad to read Ellis Perks wont be riding UK this year (at the moment) as nobody seems to want him. A young British rider trying to find his way in the sport with a 5 point Champ and 3.33 point Prem GSA, one would have thought at least one club would sign him. It seems that clubs are more eager in both leagues to go for untried and foreign talent then promote its own riders. He has made his feelings felt on the matter in one comment on his twitter.

[STEVEHOLS54]

3 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Will he get in at Leicester ??. According to Forum comments on the Leicester Topic they only have about 7.15 left after their 2 new riders have been assessed. Leicester Speedway twitter says Vaculik at 8.00 and Piesz at 6.50. Andersen can't and depending on how one Leicester riders GSA is assessed lower down the order maybe Holder cant either ??

On other news - Sad to read Ellis Perks wont be riding UK this year (at the moment) as nobody seems to want him. A young British rider trying to find his way in the sport with a 5 point Champ and 3.33 point Prem GSA, one would have thought at least one club would sign him. It seems that clubs are more eager in both leagues to go for untried and foreign talent then promote its own riders. He has made his feelings felt on the matter in one comment on his twitter.

Maybe scrap that on Leicester as one contributor says that Sargeant may be on an assessed GSA of over1 point less than another contributor has put. If that's the case both could be an option

[DC2]

 

That’s crazy about Ellis Perks. Just like Stefan Nielsen this year. I can’t believe Championship promoters don’t prioritise British talent. Why isn’t there a rule requiring all British riders under 25 who have achieved a 4 point average to be signed? Ellis might not be the big improver that wins you the Championship title this year - compared to the new 5.2 point Scandinavians - but he will be a solid, cost effective investment for years to come.

It’s also crazy that Premiership teams have dropped the two British riders rule.  

[foreverblue]

12 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Maybe scrap that on Leicester as one contributor says that Sargeant may be on an assessed GSA of over1 point less than another contributor has put. If that's the case both could be an option

As far as I know JS will have an average of 2.56 which is a conversion of his Championship average.

[stevebrum]

51 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

On other news - Sad to read Ellis Perks wont be riding UK this year (at the moment) as nobody seems to want him. A young British rider trying to find his way in the sport with a 5 point Champ and 3.33 point Prem GSA, one would have thought at least one club would sign him. It seems that clubs are more eager in both leagues to go for untried and foreign talent then promote its own riders. He has made his feelings felt on the matter in one comment on his twitter.

He had a real breakthru at championship level that's for sure, however he was absolutely dire during his spell with Wolves. 

[STEVEHOLS54]

40 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

He had a real breakthru at championship level that's for sure, however he was absolutely dire during his spell with Wolves. 

Maybe a victim of this new one over 8 rule where teams are going for more strength in depth maybe ?? Plus thre dropping of the 2 Brit rule.

Having said that one would have thought at least he would get a place in Champ, but seems not to be. Maybe if he can be patient he can get a place in May perhaps if some are not performing. Or he could just say to hell the sport is no longer worth the effort. I hope not as we need as much of our UK potential talent to stay in the sport.

Was he not a Poole asset at one stage or maybe that changed ??

A shame and while you may think he was dire at Wolves he did achieve a higher GSA than Wajtk/Shanes/Ayres/Greaves and he is still only 20.

[Sings4Speedway]

It does seem farcical that British riders do not get the nod over new untried imports. Ive been saying for years that i would like to see all British riders get a 1 point reduction on their average at the end of each season to make them more attractive signings

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

12 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

It does seem farcical that British riders do not get the nod over new untried imports. Ive been saying for years that i would like to see all British riders get a 1 point reduction on their average at the end of each season to make them more attractive signings

Certainly agree with the principle and sentiment although 1 whole point is huge

[Sings4Speedway]

4 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Certainly agree with the principle and sentiment although 1 whole point is huge

Very true but perhaps it's long overdue to make some radical changes and nurtre uk rider's 

[Badge]

6 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Very true but perhaps it's long overdue to make some radical changes and nurtre uk rider's 

Well dropping last years, excellent, 2 British riders rule hasn't helped!!!

[stevebrum]

1 hour ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Maybe a victim of this new one over 8 rule where teams are going for more strength in depth maybe ?? Plus thre dropping of the 2 Brit rule.

Having said that one would have thought at least he would get a place in Champ, but seems not to be. Maybe if he can be patient he can get a place in May perhaps if some are not performing. Or he could just say to hell the sport is no longer worth the effort. I hope not as we need as much of our UK potential talent to stay in the sport.

Was he not a Poole asset at one stage or maybe that changed ??

A shame and while you may think he was dire at Wolves he did achieve a higher GSA than Wajtk/Shanes/Ayres/Greaves and he is still only 20.

Sadly seems the case, sometimes it really doesn't pay to improve too much.

Perks was very poor for Wolves,  as his 1.45 average demonstrates. 

[STEVEHOLS54]

37 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

Sadly seems the case, sometimes it really doesn't pay to improve too much.

Perks was very poor for Wolves,  as his 1.45 average demonstrates. 

indeed the averages/stats don't lie. He rode much better for Rye House but his Wolves GSA dragged him below the 4 he achieved at Rye.

Anyway still a shame but back now to Poole matters ;-)

[STEVEHOLS54]

On the subject of the Polish max 3 league rules.

Matt Ford was saying some time ago that he expected to announce at least the first 4 riders for the 70th Anniversary celebration meeting the week after he did his interview when the shop was opening at Dolphin Centre. He still hasn't named any which makes one think has the POL max League rule not yet been clarified hindering his attempts to name some of the big World Stars he hoped to have riding. Noty only that but also his own team plans i.e Sundstrom maybe ??

Cant think of any other reason why he was fairly confident of naming 4 riders back then but to date has named none. Obvious choices will be the top 4/5 Poole riders one would have thought, but that's not as headline grabbing news as some of the top guys not planning to ride UK due to either the 3 league rule still being in effect or not wanting UK as a full season. We know some would consider it because of the fact it is the 70th Anniv., and also because it gives them a chance of some early season practice.

Of course another reason could be that if as he reported he will be down 20% on revenue due to the poss loss of the TV deal them maybe he can't afford the luxury of bringing over the big names and all their  equip just for a one off meeting.

[SteveLyric2]

Speedway Star is saying Hans to Leicester, so presumably MF has given his OK?!

 

That only leaves Rye House, Belle Vue(Unlikely) and Poole as realistic options for Chris Holder!!

 

NB. Mark Loram and Tony Rickardsson have previously been announced for the 70th Anniversary meeting on 23rd March.

Edited January 4, 2018 by Skidder1

[STEVEHOLS54]

2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Speedway Star is saying Hans to Leicester, so presumably MF has given his OK?!

Which begs the question - What is going on with the Holder discussion.

Is he in or out, as the discussion seems to be dragging on considering the various mentions that he was apparently in every team combination Matt had in mind. Also an apparent insider info that Chris had 2 days to resolve it, which if to be believed has now expired

If he has agreed to let Hans sign for Leicester (and there is no smoke without fire), as the SS is normally reliable, then one wonders why he would let Hans go without resolving the Chris issue.

Of course it could be resolved and the news is hot footing its way to us in the next day or two but you cant help but think perhaps its not going well ??

Maybe Matt has another ace up his sleeve possibly with all this reassessing going on as rumour has it all those foreign riders new and old have been sorted on what their GSA's will be for a while now. Leicester have had Vaculik and Piesz GSA's clarified and announced on twitter today. Hopefully there is a plan B if Chris decides he doesn't want to ride for Poole and sits out the season ??.

Of course there is still that old chestnut of the max Leagues the POL EXL will allow which could be holding back potential signings ??

[ray c]

8 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Which begs the question - What is going on with the Holder discussion.

Is he in or out, as the discussion seems to be dragging on considering the various mentions that he was apparently in every team combination Matt had in mind. Also an apparent insider info that Chris had 2 days to resolve it, which if to be believed has now expired

If he has agreed to let Hans sign for Leicester (and there is no smoke without fire), as the SS is normally reliable, then one wonders why he would let Hans go without resolving the Chris issue.

Of course it could be resolved and the news is hot footing its way to us in the next day or two but you cant help but think perhaps its not going well ??

Maybe Matt has another ace up his sleeve possibly with all this reassessing going on as rumour has it all those foreign riders new and old have been sorted on what their GSA's will be for a while now. Leicester have had Vaculik and Piesz GSA's clarified and announced on twitter today. Hopefully there is a plan B if Chris decides he doesn't want to ride for Poole and sits out the season ??.

Of course there is still that old chestnut of the max Leagues the POL EXL will allow which could be holding back potential signings ??

Leicester website says a little different there last place is not complete yet ?

[Agrotron]

Getting a little fed up with all this Holder spin is he in is he out tbh he is not worth bothering with bet he's loving it all 

[STEVEHOLS54]

2 minutes ago, ray c said:

Leicester website says a little different there last place is not complete yet ?

I agree but interesting the SS has gone into print on it. Of course it could be subject to the Holder situ resolving itself. Unless Matt doesn't want Hans back irrespective of the Holder situ.

For me IF (and I say IF) Holder was not returning, then for me it would take someone special to be coming in instead of Hans to allow him possibly to sign elsewhere.

Must admit find the situation intriguing.