stevebrum Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: They are not 'false' averages though for the likes of Woryna and others - they are just averages that some people don't like!!! Of course they are false! ! If some riders who didn't ride here in 2017 are deemed to have 'outdated averages' then that simply can't apply to some others as then having true averages! Either ALL that didn't ride here in 2017 are outdated or none are. It's pretty simple I'd say! I can't believe anyone will actually argue that it's completely fair to grade some and not others. Well one I can understand will and already has. If you don't want clarity in the rules then fair enough. But bringing in ringers will continue and help to lose yet more fans from the sport. It's a joke to grade some and not others, it's as simple as that. And the rules allow it!! Beyond crazy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, foreverblue said: We always get the blame but Kings Lynn could have signed Szczepaniak as he is their rider and we do care. I'm sure if we could afford him we would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, blupanther said: I certainly don't blame Poole just because Matt Ford is very shrewd... Nor do I really....but does that mean the other promotions are a bit slow?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Baldyman said: Nor do I really....but does that mean the other promotions are a bit slow?? That's certainly one way to put it They don't seem very slow when it comes to implementing stupid rules though ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Nor do I really....but does that mean the other promotions are a bit slow?? Matt is good at finding the right rider occasionally, but it is still fun winding the fans up or even better when we beat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 I do enjoy a good wind up..and poole fans always seem up for the challenge to their credit. I don't take speedway or life too seriously.....grumpy fans do my swede in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Baldyman said: Poole or their fans don't care at what cost..as long as it's them that win. Not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 nor me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 To be honest I've got no issue with Woryna or the other Pole's name who I can't spell keeping their previous averages. It makes things a lot easier if everyone keeps their previous averages. The problem then comes when they have re-asssessed riders like Tai Woffinden and co. They either had to re-assess all of them or none of them... not some of them! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Nail on head. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 The problem with the averages is the inconsistency. Re-assess them all or none (as Najjer says). When some are done and others aren't then experience tells us that there are vested interests involved, with some teams benefiting at other teams expense. As ever, it is hard to see any logic behind the decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Najjer said: To be honest I've got no issue with Woryna or the other Pole's name who I can't spell keeping their previous averages. It makes things a lot easier if everyone keeps their previous averages. The problem then comes when they have re-asssessed riders like Tai Woffinden and co. They either had to re-assess all of them or none of them... not some of them! Well said Najjer. Isn't too difficult a concept to understand is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhbig Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Come on this is speedway rules, we would not want anything logical or easy !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Interesting article from Matt Ford in the Echo today about losing out on Ellis at the last minute. Ultimately for me even though I like Matt, I have to say Speedway was the winner in this deal, which isn't quite portrayed in the article where Matt said he was sad to lose out on the deal to get him. The final deal saw both Ellis and Zach W go from Lakeside to Swindon as assets and no doubt part of the deal included both being loaned back to Lakeside to meet up with Morris in the Champ. Suppose you can partly blame our wonderful BSPA and this ridiculous rule that meant neither Eddie Kennett or Scott Nicholls could ride in the Champ this season. I read that both had been earmarked for Lakeside and Cook had to do an about turn to find other riders. Fortunately he did well to get the Swindon deal done which benefited both Clubs for the 2018 season. Means both young Brits get double up deals which will benefit them financially as well as Morris getting similar, and the winners are British Speedway and its fans who get to see all 3 riders in both divisions. I am a Poole fan but live only 30/40 mins drive from Lakeside so I see the bigger picture from the sports perspective on this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just read that Starman has been taken to hospital. Hope that things turn out ok for him if this is indeed true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Has anybody heard anymore news on Mike this weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 14 hours ago, Najjer said: To be honest I've got no issue with Woryna or the other Pole's name who I can't spell keeping their previous averages. It makes things a lot easier if everyone keeps their previous averages. The problem then comes when they have re-asssessed riders like Tai Woffinden and co. They either had to re-assess all of them or none of them... not some of them! Spot on Either reassess everyone or nobody its not difficult. No issue with Woryna on his low average but then leave riders like Tai and Zagar on theirs! Not rocket science 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 28 minutes ago, Gavan said: Spot on Either reassess everyone or nobody its not difficult. No issue with Woryna on his low average but then leave riders like Tai and Zagar on theirs! Not rocket science Perhaps the rule would have been more acceptable had they agreed to 2 over 8 for 2018. That way teams such as BV/Swind/Wolves could have kept (if they chose to) there 2 x 8 point men, plus the other teams could have chosen from the other riders assessed 8 or more. I tend to agree though to leave every riders GSA's as is from the last season they rode here, and let the teams themselves sort out who they choose and don't choose to sign. It may well be that we would have had some teams stronger than others due to some with financial constraints, but that is sport. Unfortunately being now only an 8 team Prem, I suppose it comes down to non changing of the rules may well have pushed at least one or two towards the Prem exit door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 All we get from the bspa is down grading the the sport they represents same every year so annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: Interesting article from Matt Ford in the Echo today about losing out on Ellis at the last minute. Ultimately for me even though I like Matt, I have to say Speedway was the winner in this deal, which isn't quite portrayed in the article where Matt said he was sad to lose out on the deal to get him. The final deal saw both Ellis and Zach W go from Lakeside to Swindon as assets and no doubt part of the deal included both being loaned back to Lakeside to meet up with Morris in the Champ. Suppose you can partly blame our wonderful BSPA and this ridiculous rule that meant neither Eddie Kennett or Scott Nicholls could ride in the Champ this season. I read that both had been earmarked for Lakeside and Cook had to do an about turn to find other riders. Fortunately he did well to get the Swindon deal done which benefited both Clubs for the 2018 season. Means both young Brits get double up deals which will benefit them financially as well as Morris getting similar, and the winners are British Speedway and its fans who get to see all 3 riders in both divisions. I am a Poole fan but live only 30/40 mins drive from Lakeside so I see the bigger picture from the sports perspective on this one. Well well well. So I was correct way back in September!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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