stevebrum Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Please show me the link to the rule that all riders without a 2017 average are to be given new averages. It is already in the public domain that gp riders have been given a 9 point average. So clearly at the same time it would have been announced by the bspa that not just gp riders but all riders without a 2017 average would be re-assessed. But no. Only GP riders are mentioned. Theres a reason for that. Only GP riders are re-assessed. Other riders already have averages which can be used. I would add that riders new to the league like Liecesters Krystian Pieszczek will be assesed. Can you provide me the link that confirms non 2017 riders won't be reassessed? There is a reason why team building averages haven't been released yet. There is no link to 2018 team building averages for a reason. You may be right, but you don't have a link that confirms those averages. Why is that fair but reassessing riders who have been away for a year or two and dramatically improved during that time not be fair?Because someone has their blue tints on. You can be sure Shov would be disagreeing if any other club was signing Milik or Lebedevs on their old average. Edited December 10, 2017 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 If a rider has an average and is not a gp rider, then he will have an average. No need to re-assess. Its never happened before so why now? I am in agreement that the one over 8 rule is rubbish but several teams were not going to race unless it was brought in. GP riders on a 9 seems fair. Piotr Pawlicki has an average and is not a gp rider, so should come in on his previous EL average. Unless the bspa have made the gp rule for all existing and previous GP riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 If a rider has an average and is not a gp rider, then he will have an average. No need to re-assess. Its never happened before so why now? I am in agreement that the one over 8 rule is rubbish but several teams were not going to race unless it was brought in. GP riders on a 9 seems fair. Piotr Pawlicki has an average and is not a gp rider, so should come in on his previous EL average. Unless the bspa have made the gp rule for all existing and previous GP riders. It sounds like from Matt/ Bspa/ CVS comments that any 2017 and 18 GP rider will be brought in on a 9 average. But for example I don't think Micheal Jepsen Jensen would come in on 9 average, he would come in on something around 7ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Can you provide me the link that confirms non 2017 riders won't be reassessed? There is a reason why team building averages haven't been released yet. There is no link to 2018 team building averages for a reason. You may be right, but you don't have a link that confirms those averages. Because someone has their blue tints on. You can be sure Shov would be disagreeing if any other club was signing Milik or Lebedevs on their old average. Thats just not true. Other clubs are bound to sign riders who have ridden here in the past and will be brought in on their last EL average. This has always been the case with the sport and how it works. Not sure why you are campaigning for a rule change which is unnecessary. It will just lead to sterile teams. Edited December 10, 2017 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 If a rider has an average and is not a gp rider, then he will have an average. No need to re-assess. Its never happened before so why now? I am in agreement that the one over 8 rule is rubbish but several teams were not going to race unless it was brought in. GP riders on a 9 seems fair. Piotr Pawlicki has an average and is not a gp rider, so should come in on his previous EL average. Unless the bspa have made the gp rule for all existing and previous GP riders. It's never happened before that GP riders missing a year out get reassessed. Getting it yet? It should be a straight forward rule but it isn't. Just WHO qualifies as a GP rider? 2018?? 2017?? Before?? As per usual the rules are ambiguous. Certainly the impression I got from CVS was that all riders missing this year would be reassessed. If you were there you may have or have not come to same conclusion. He mentioned the averages for team building were yet to be agreed due to returning riders for 2018. Thats just not true. Other clubs are bound to sign riders who have ridden here in the past and will be brought in on their last EL average. This has always been the case with the sport and how it works. Not sure why you are campaigning for a rule change which is unnecessary. It will just lead to sterile teams. You clearly don't get it, your Poole blindness is masking the bigger picture. If you are going to reassess some riders then reassess them all or none at all!! Everyone wants a fair and transparent rule which the way you suggest isn't. I couldn't care less who it affects or doesn't affect. The BSPA have made a rule that penalises some riders and clubs and not others. So of course it isn't a fair rule, which is evident to everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 It sounds like from Matt/ Bspa/ CVS comments that any 2017 and 18 GP rider will be brought in on a 9 average. But for example I don't think Micheal Jepsen Jensen would come in on 9 average, he would come in on something around 7ish. So Kildemand would be available on 7.10, his last UK average, as he wasn't a full GP rider in 2017 and isn't in for 2018? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I understand people discussing if the rules are right or wrong. What I do not understand is why people think that the owners of the clubs who are building teams do not know the rules. They would not sign riders who could not ride as this would be business madness. True it would be better if the BSPA came out with a statement that totally clarifies the matter for the fans. If they did that there would still be a great deal of arguments but the rules would be clear to all. Someone said that some clubs could afford riders and some could not so it must be played to the lowest denomininator. Sorry but this does not rub as in sport as well as other businesses the stronger financially can build their business bettter than those on a shoe string. In sport Man Ciy play in the same league as AFC Bournemouth but financially they ar poles apart. The same goes in Rugby with Exeter Chiefs and Worcester Warriors. That's life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 It sounds like from Matt/ Bspa/ CVS comments that any 2017 and 18 GP rider will be brought in on a 9 average. But for example I don't think Micheal Jepsen Jensen would come in on 9 average, he would come in on something around 7ish. How many GP's did MJJ ride in? If Piotr is reassessed 9 then so should MJJ and Lindback etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I understand people discussing if the rules are right or wrong. What I do not understand is why people think that the owners of the clubs who are building teams do not know the rules. They would not sign riders who could not ride as this would be business madness. True it would be better if the BSPA came out with a statement that totally clarifies the matter for the fans. If they did that there would still be a great deal of arguments but the rules would be clear to all. Someone said that some clubs could afford riders and some could not so it must be played to the lowest denomininator. Sorry but this does not rub as in sport as well as other businesses the stronger financially can build their business bettter than those on a shoe string. In sport Man Ciy play in the same league as AFC Bournemouth but financially they ar poles apart. The same goes in Rugby with Exeter Chiefs and Worcester Warriors. That's life. Absolutely agree. There will always be haves and have nots. You cant sterilize the sport to such a degree that all teams are equal. Unlike football we already have a points limit in place for equality. To go any further would be frankly ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just bring the rule that all riders that didn't have a premier league average from the 2017 season will be reassessed upwards or downwards by the Scb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Absolutely agree. There will always be haves and have nots. You cant sterilize the sport to such a degree that all teams are equal. Unlike football we already have a points limit in place for equality. To go any further would be frankly ridiculous. Indeed, so let's unsterilise it by not freezing out several GP riders. Enable more quality riders into the league and give more teams a chance in the process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Indeed, so let's unsterilise it by not freezing out several GP riders. Enable more quality riders into the league and give more teams a chance in the process. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Exactly! No rule has changed for non gp riders and clubs can sign who they want with the exception of only one over 8. This is definately the case re: Pooles two signings tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southampton Pirate Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I've got the best idea. Why don't you make Matt Ford post a list of riders that he would like to sign, and then leave it up to you jealous b@@@@s north of Winchester to sanction it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 If a rider has an average and is not a gp rider, then he will have an average. No need to re-assess. Its never happened before so why now? I am in agreement that the one over 8 rule is rubbish but several teams were not going to race unless it was brought in. GP riders on a 9 seems fair. Piotr Pawlicki has an average and is not a gp rider, so should come in on his previous EL average. Unless the bspa have made the gp rule for all existing and previous GP riders. It said in the paper that Matt Ford would have considered Piotr Pawlicki if it wasn't for the 8 point rule so i assume he is being assessed as a gp rider as his previous average is under 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 It said in the paper that Matt Ford would have considered Piotr Pawlicki if it wasn't for the 8 point rule so i assume he is being assessed as a gp rider as his previous average is under 8. Yep, of course he would; pinching another team’s asset as usual! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Yep, of course he would; pinching another team’s asset as usual!Wolves would have first choice but if not a rider can ride for another team. Swindon have never used a rider who is an asset of another team have they. Your post is just snipping at Poole. Swindon are a great team and deserve to do well but don't think they would never use another teams asset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 It said in the paper that Matt Ford would have considered Piotr Pawlicki if it wasn't for the 8 point rule so i assume he is being assessed as a gp rider as his previous average is under 8. It said in the paper that Matt Ford would have considered Piotr Pawlicki if it wasn't for the 8 point rule so i assume he is being assessed as a gp rider as his previous average is under 8.Wolves would have signed him so there was nothing for Ford to consider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Only a Poole fan thinks that Gp riders on a 9 is fair when an improver doesn't have to be reassessed!!! Did you ride here in 2017? No....... then you are reassessed. What a strange league where riders who are not improving like Tai and Zagar get almost 2 points added and someone who has seemingly vastly improved can actually be lower than he should be. Do people expect Shovlar to say any different!!!! Biased to the max 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Wolves would have first choice but if not a rider can ride for another team. Swindon have never used a rider who is an asset of another team have they. Your post is just snipping at Poole. Swindon are a great team and deserve to do well but don't think they would never use another teams asset. As if we need to use other teams assets! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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