Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Just when you thought the "riders not riding here in 2017 will be reassessed" was a fair and transparent one. Where did you see this rule change? In your head?Janowski & Przemyslaw Pawlicki are the only riders without a 2017 average that would make Poole strong & I can't see Magic returning, as I'm sure he will concentrate on Poland & the GP's 1st.We couldnt sign either due to the one over 8 rule.Your profiling of Poole's sponsors is a little sexist, ageist and quite far off the mark, Steve!!! Lol Well I guess we will see on the live feed! Edited December 10, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Its not only Poole that can sign anyone who never rode here in 2017, so i'm not seeing a problem tbh... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Its not only Poole that can sign anyone who never rode here in 2017, so i'm not seeing a problem tbh... There is no problem. Stevebrum somehow got it into his head that because GP riders have been given a 9 average if they didn’t ride here last season, so has every rider. This is simply not the case and if a rider has an official EL average from 2013 that can be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Where did you see this rule change? In your head? Likewise, where did you see the rule that it's only GP riders being reassessed? In your head? The GP assessed 9 point rule came from my report from the Wolves talk in by CVS, it's since then that it's appeared in the public domain. It was mentioned that riders not riding here in 2017 will be reassessed. Just post the link that proves your right. Mine was from a talk in witnessed by a hundred odd people, yours? There is no problem. Stevebrum somehow got it into his head that because GP riders have been given a 9 average if they didn’t ride here last season, so has every rider. This is simply not the case and if a rider has an official EL average from 2013 that can be used. You have it in your head that it won't apply to ALL riders. I've asked you 3 times to provide a link. I've already made mine clear. Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Likewise, where did you see the rule that it's only GP riders being reassessed? In your head? The GP assessed 9 point rule came from my report from the Wolves talk in by CVS, it's since then that it's appeared in the public domain. It was mentioned that riders not riding here in 2017 will be reassessed. Just post the link that proves your right. Mine was from a talk in witnessed by a hundred odd people, yours? You have it in your head that it won't apply to ALL riders. I've asked you 3 times to provide a link. I've already made mine clear. Link? Please show me the link to the rule that all riders without a 2017 average are to be given new averages. It is already in the public domain that gp riders have been given a 9 point average. So clearly at the same time it would have been announced by the bspa that not just gp riders but all riders without a 2017 average would be re-assessed. But no. Only GP riders are mentioned. There’s a reason for that. Only GP riders are re-assessed. Other riders already have averages which can be used. I would add that riders new to the league like Liecesters Krystian Pieszczek will be assesed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Of course the rule changes are the same for everybody. Always has been that previous averages have been used and still remains that way. Only GP riders affected who have not ridden uk in 2017.Sorry if I've missed it but what is the criteria for being classed as a GP rider? Permanent in 2017? Permanent in 2018? Permanent ever? Raced any GP in 2017? Raced any GP ever? I've seen Kildemand being mentioned as a 9 and he wasn't a full member last year but has been in the past. If it's right he is a 9 what got him that 9? Does Smolinksi get a 9? Jepsen Jensen, A.Laguta, B.Pedersen, Ljung, Holta, Kołodziej, Hampel, Madsen, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 So why don't other clubs now call these bargain average riders and offer them a better deal than poole. If you want them, go and get them. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 So why don't other clubs now call these bargain average riders and offer them a better deal than poole. If you want them, go and get them. Because if you make sure there are only a handful of ringers / bargains that drives up their value and ensures that they will be hoovered up by those clubs with the greatest resources. Would be much fairer for the competitiveness of the league if there were more bargains or none at all. Discriminating against GP riders means less quality riders in the league (on top of the eight point rule) and inevitably greater disparity between team strengths. Good luck to the Pirates and Fraud but those who can see further than the end of Poole harbour recognise this isn't good for the league. And it will lead to more paying customers giving up with it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 So why don't other clubs now call these bargain average riders and offer them a better deal than poole. If you want them, go and get them. Good post. Very true. The only laughing will be Poole fans as we sail past 50 at Blunsdon. I know its Christmas soon but you have to be a bit more realistic. 55 at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 So why don't other clubs now call these bargain average riders and offer them a better deal than poole. If you want them, go and get them. Exactly! No rule has changed for non gp riders and clubs can sign who they want with the exception of only one over 8. This is definately the case re: Pooles two signings tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Or the one season wonders, Mroczka, Milik, Gomolski ...... We’re already laughing at it. A top two of Kurtz and Grajczonek!!!! Hmmmm .... Poole or Sheffield? Lol Somerset . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Good luck to the Pirates and Fraud but those who can see further than the end of Poole harbour recognise this isn't good for the league. And it will lead to more paying customers giving up with it all. But no rule has changed. Riders with old averages are available to all teams, like they have been for years. Nothing has changed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Reassessing GP riders and the over eight rule? Can't remember those rules last year..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Reassessing GP riders and the over eight rule? Can't remember those rules last year.....I am not talking about those rules. I am talking about riders who are not gp riders coming in on averages they got in the EL in the past. I agree that one over 8 rule is not good. Gp riders on a 9 is fair. Edited December 10, 2017 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 But no rule has changed. Riders with old averages are available to all teams, like they have been for years. Nothing has changed! Steve I'm a but confused on this one. General feeling is riders in this seasons SGP have been reassessed at 9. That's fairly clear but then it gets a bit confusing for me. You and some others say that riders can ride at their old av if not a current GP rider. However what about Piotr Pawlicki ??. He is not a GP rider this season and last rode 2014 and achieved 7 plus for Wolves. If we apply the logic he is not in this seasons GP then he should get his old av ?? I question it as Matt Ford allegedly said in an interview in the Echo in the last week that he was considering Pawlicki but had to drop the interest because he believe he will be reassessed being an EX GP rider who had not ridden here since 2014 and would be reassessed at 8 or more meaning he cldnt sign him with Brady announced. It kind of contradicts a bit what some are saying about non GP riders having their old av. Yes he is a very good rider but he is not in this years GP so should he not be one of those who keep his old av ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Good post. I know its Christmas soon but you have to be a bit more realistic. 55 at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Steve I'm a but confused on this one. General feeling is riders in this seasons SGP have been reassessed at 9. That's fairly clear but then it gets a bit confusing for me. You and some others say that riders can ride at their old av if not a current GP rider. However what about Piotr Pawlicki ??. He is not a GP rider this season and last rode 2014 and achieved 7 plus for Wolves. If we apply the logic he is not in this seasons GP then he should get his old av ?? I question it as Matt Ford allegedly said in an interview in the Echo in the last week that he was considering Pawlicki but had to drop the interest because he believe he will be reassessed being an EX GP rider who had not ridden here since 2014 and would be reassessed at 8 or more meaning he cldnt sign him with Brady announced. It kind of contradicts a bit what some are saying about non GP riders having their old av. Yes he is a very good rider but he is not in this years GP so should he not be one of those who keep his old av ?? I meant not in 2018 GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Indeed, the reason people are unhappy with non GP riders coming in on averages they attained in the past is because of the two new rules which vastly reduces the options for those clubs who don't sign these bargains / ringers. How is that good for the league as a whole? Do them all or, preferably, reasses nobody and get rid of the eight point rule. Let the points limit do it's job without these other factors skewing team strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I am not talking about those rules. I am talking about riders who are not gp riders coming in on averages they got in the EL in the past. I agree that one over 8 rule is not good. Gp riders on a 9 is fair. I agree its fair to reassess GP riders. But if I or anyone holds that view then Im surprised that unlike me certain others dont see that to be fair and consistent then ALL have to be reassessed and not just the GP riders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Gp riders on a 9 is fair. Why is that fair but reassessing riders who have been away for a year or two and dramatically improved during that time not be fair? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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