Sidney the robin Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) If there was one big league, it would have to be at Championship standard, otherwise it would be unaffordable for the bulk of teams to compete. This therefore should prevent youngsters from moving up from NL to Championship. It would of course have an impact on the top British riders, as they would be lightyears behind our foreign counterparts.I would be happy with that as long as the product was right and the entertainment value there it could work. Edited July 21, 2017 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I would be happy with that as long as the product was right and the entertainment value there it could work. I think that's the challenge though. The more you try to force things together, the less competitive and entertaining it becomes. For me, the draft ruined the Elite League. There was simply too much of a chasm between the top riders and the draft riders. Now it is even worse, with National League riders filling reserve berths against GP heatleaders. The racing is simply no longer competitive. The SWC was a perfect example of how having four relatively equal riders produces great racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 1. Matt Ford 2. Buster Chapman 3. Doubling up I'll think about 4 and 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think that's the challenge though. The more you try to force things together, the less competitive and entertaining it becomes. For me, the draft ruined the Elite League. There was simply too much of a chasm between the top riders and the draft riders. Now it is even worse, with National League riders filling reserve berths against GP heatleaders. The racing is simply no longer competitive. The SWC was a perfect example of how having four relatively equal riders produces great racing. Doyle for me would be the only sacrifice as he would be to good Lindgren/Holder are good but not at his level.Therefore there could be anough of equal ability to spread around it could be exciting times British speedway has to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think that's the challenge though. The more you try to force things together, the less competitive and entertaining it becomes. For me, the draft ruined the Elite League. There was simply too much of a chasm between the top riders and the draft riders. Now it is even worse, with National League riders filling reserve berths against GP heatleaders. The racing is simply no longer competitive. The SWC was a perfect example of how having four relatively equal riders produces great racing. I disagree with your comments on racing under the draft. Because of the heat format generally u had riders of a comparable standard and the racing was good. The issue was that they didn't address the skewed averages resulting from the format. This could have been addressed by anyone with a rudimentary understanding of maths. While there are now instances of 2pt no riders coming up against GP riders, that's no more of a mismatch than was common in the 80s when I started following the sport. Barry Ayres v Eric Gundersen. Glen Hornby v hans Nielsen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Doyle for me would be the only sacrifice as he would be to good Lindgren/Holder are good but not at his level.Therefore there could be anough of equal ability to spread around it could be exciting times British speedway has to change. You'd never get buy in from the lower Championship teams if they had to line up against opposition fielding the likes of Lindgren and Holder. There is no way Redcar, Berwick or Workington (for example) would be able to afford a competitive team if you allowed riders of that strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 You'd never get buy in from the lower Championship teams if they had to line up against opposition fielding the likes of Lindgren and Holder. There is no way Redcar, Berwick or Workington (for example) would be able to afford a competitive team if you allowed riders of that strength.That is only two riders though Matt not much of a problem then is it ? you can even sacrifice those riders and have a competetive league with clubs being run prudently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 That is only two riders though Matt not much of a problem then is it ? you can even sacrifice those riders and have a competetive league with clubs being run prudently. I think you'd draw the line at any rider with an average above 8 in the Premiership. Don't forget, in order for there to be enough riders, you'd have to bring in more juniors to fill the lower orders of team. Of course, the alternative is smaller teams (say 6 or even 5) and a completely revamped race format. The other advantage of removing the "top" riders is that several Championship teams race on Saturday's and Sunday's which mean more clashes with individual and Polish meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think you'd draw the line at any rider with an average above 8 in the Premiership. Don't forget, in order for there to be enough riders, you'd have to bring in more juniors to fill the lower orders of team. Of course, the alternative is smaller teams (say 6 or even 5) and a completely revamped race format. The other advantage of removing the "top" riders is that several Championship teams race on Saturday's and Sunday's which mean more clashes with individual and Polish meetings. It would have to be above 8 there has to be a place for the likes of Cook/Masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 If u are going that route then I think u need to have an 8 team elite league with 2 home 2 away matches. 3 Brits per team and in case of fixture clashes it has priority. All EL teams also run either a 2nd tier or NL side. The 2nd tier would likely not have any GP riders though id still see a place for the likes of cook Harris etc. 4 Brits per side including 2 under 23 reserves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 If u are going that route then I think u need to have an 8 team elite league with 2 home 2 away matches. 3 Brits per team and in case of fixture clashes it has priority. All EL teams also run either a 2nd tier or NL side. The 2nd tier would likely not have any GP riders though id still see a place for the likes of cook Harris etc. 4 Brits per side including 2 under 23 reserves I am not keen on a little league not anough fixtures for me without GP riders we could be more flexible on what days we ride 2 fixtures every ten days would do for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I am not keen on a little league not anough fixtures for me without GP riders we could be more flexible on what days we ride 2 fixtures every ten days would do for me. Get rid of the prats at the top. The BSPA. Edited July 21, 2017 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Get rid of the prats at the top. Who exactly are they? If you mean the promoters, then you'd be left with no sport, or maybe something on the lines of an occasional grasstrack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Who exactly are they? If you mean the promoters, then you'd be left with no sport, or maybe something on the lines of an occasional grasstrack. The management commitee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I am not keen on a little league not anough fixtures for me without GP riders we could be more flexible on what days we ride 2 fixtures every ten days would do for me. What about a proper "elite" league, fixed race night, home meetings every fortnight. The alternative weeks each club tracks a National League team in order to provide weekly racing? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 What about a proper "elite" league, fixed race night, home meetings every fortnight. The alternative weeks each club tracks a National League team in order to provide weekly racing? If we can't afford 'Elite' riders, wouldn't it be rather pointless? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 What about a proper "elite" league, fixed race night, home meetings every fortnight. The alternative weeks each club tracks a National League team in order to provide weekly racing? That's what should have been done many years ago. Instead, they weakened it year after year after year.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 What about a proper "elite" league, fixed race night, home meetings every fortnight. The alternative weeks each club tracks a National League team in order to provide weekly racing? Yep that's what I was proposing above. Except they could have the option of running a 2nd tier side rather than an NL side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Yep that's what I was proposing above. Except they could have the option of running a 2nd tier side rather than an NL side. I think that would be a recipe for disaster. Reserve teams aren't well supported which is how the 2nd tier team would be viewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 3./ One big league meaning more variety and fixtures. I was always against this, it was done years and years ago to save the then British League and all that happened was the then National League clubs were shafted. But these days there is very little difference in league quality it could just work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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