Chris Holder ! :- Friend Or Foe

[Trees]

I would think Iversen will be back at Lynn next season

Not if the Poles stick to their supposed 2018 rules, any rider they employ to only race in one other country! Denmark and Poland for Niels!

[stevebrum]

I would think Iversen will be back at Lynn next season

Poland are looking at enforcing a one other nation league.

So even less chance of Iversen returning as there is zero chance this!

[Daniel Smith]

Poland are looking at enforcing a one other nation league.

So even less chance of Iversen returning as there is zero chance this!

 

Depends if he'd earn more from points & sponsorship in Denmark, Sweden & UK rather than just Poland & Denmark

[False dawn]

Poland are looking at enforcing a one other nation league.

So even less chance of Iversen returning as there is zero chance this!

Forgive me, but isn't this restraint of trade? Surely not legal under EU law?

[Arthur54]

What happens when/if the Poole track isn't to his liking on a Wednesday evening!

Chris has been at Poole the last 10 years, never had these problems

[stevebrum]

Depends if he'd earn more from points & sponsorship in Denmark, Sweden & UK rather than just Poland & Denmark

 

I'd imagine it's highly unlikely.

 

Forgive me, but isn't this restraint of trade? Surely not legal under EU law?

You would think so yes, but the Poles pay the highest wage so can dictate. And virtually every British club (bar Poole) signed up to say they agreed.

 

I hope their greedy demands are called out by the riders.

It only needs a couple to go against them, but I doubt the big pay check will see many stand up to them.

[Pinny]

Will be no loss, his form this season has been nothing short of pathetic.

[DizzAssStar]

Chris has been at Poole the last 10 years, never had these problems

 

In your dreams .................. he was moaning most of last season about Pooles motocross track.

 

So much for the loyalty he was bleating about when dropped by Poole ............ didn't show any last Thursday to the promotion that kept him in work in the UK this year did he?

[Trees]

Forgive me, but isn't this restraint of trade? Surely not legal under EU law?

Yes but it doesn't matter cos take it or leave it!

[ray c]

 

In your dreams .................. he was moaning most of last season about Pooles motocross track.

 

So much for the loyalty he was bleating about when dropped by Poole ............ didn't show any last Thursday to the promotion that kept him in work in the UK this year did he?

you beat me to it

[foamfence]

It was for a more balanced team, which unfortunately hasn't worked out

And now looks 'unbalanced.'

[g13webb]

Rider power is nothing new, but it has to be controlled. 40 odd years ago Michael Lee would put a 1000 people on the gate just by being there, and that was a big cash imput the promoters had to appreciate. Love him or hate him he must've been the biggest headache to have in any team. Dispute all the harbouring, all the forgiving and all the inconvenience the promoters showed, they eventually made the decision to let him go, knowing the lost of income would be massive. They did that, believing the sport was bigger than the man.

 

Chris Holder is relative new at Lynn and doesn't have the same following as someone like Lee, But he had been accepted and was settling in well. Not scoring the points that was expected of him, but improving each week. He could have made Lynn his new home and the fans would have continued to support him with open arms. that was until last Thursday, when he let all these people down.

 

My personal view of the situation is that Chris didn't want to help the Stars in their quest for success against his beloved Pirates and wanted any excuse to perform badly. The track wasn't that bad, as heat times showed, but it gave the Chris the opportunity he needed. Looking back at his first race, Chris made a decent start , but eased off against Andersen when entering the first corner , and that was before he had sampled the track, So I believe the mind-set was there even before the start.

 

Chris's actions last week has all but destroyed the fans belief of him being a genuine person with integrity. When he has lost that, he hasn't anything else left to give..

 

I for one, thought he was a far better person than that.....

[Steve0]

Rider power is nothing new, but it has to be controlled. 40 odd years ago Michael Lee would put a 1000 people on the gate just by being there, and that was a big cash imput the promoters had to appreciate. Love him or hate him he must've been the biggest headache to have in any team. Dispute all the harbouring, all the forgiving and all the inconvenience the promoters showed, they eventually made the decision to let him go, knowing the lost of income would be massive. They did that, believing the sport was bigger than the man.

 

Chris Holder is relative new at Lynn and doesn't have the same following as someone like Lee, But he had been accepted and was settling in well. Not scoring the points that was expected of him, but improving each week. He could have made Lynn his new home and the fans would have continued to support him with open arms. that was until last Thursday, when he let all these people down.

 

My personal view of the situation is that Chris didn't want to help the Stars in their quest for success against his beloved Pirates and wanted any excuse to perform badly. The track wasn't that bad, as heat times showed, but it gave the Chris the opportunity he needed. Looking back at his first race, Chris made a decent start , but eased off against Andersen when entering the first corner , and that was before he had sampled the track, So I believe the mind-set was there even before the start.

 

Chris's actions last week has all but destroyed the fans belief of him being a genuine person with integrity. When he has lost that, he hasn't anything else left to give..

 

I for one, thought he was a far better person than that.....

A bit over dramatic there! Basically, he thought the track was dangerous, withheld his services and received a 28 day ban as punishment. It seems the KL fans won't be happy until he is publicly flogged!

 

I am not condoning what he did - he may have had a point but went about it the wrong way which has caused a swell of unrest with the fans. I don't think we have heard the last of this story.

[A ORLOV]

Forgive me, but isn't this restraint of trade? Surely not legal under EU law?

It is a restraint of trade, but as the riders are self employed it is up to them to accept the terms or not.

It is up to the Polish club who they offer a contract to and the rider to accept or reject the terms offered.

If no rider refuses to ride in Poland because of this the Poles condition will do what they want.

[waytogo28]

A bit over dramatic there! Basically, he thought the track was dangerous, withheld his services and received a 28 day ban as punishment. It seems the KL fans won't be happy until he is publicly flogged!

 

I am not condoning what he did - he may have had a point but went about it the wrong way which has caused a swell of unrest with the fans. I don't think we have heard the last of this story.

 

I do think that the majority of fans no longer want Chris Holder riding for the club. I feel that way myself. Public flogging may be a tad too far but a kick up the backside as he is shown the door may be well deserved. As others have said, a great disappointment as a rider and as a man ( in terms of his moral compass regarding his career choice ).

[Guest GiveusaB]

May be this is what needs to happen to sort out these woeful British tracks ???

They're not fit for purpose.....no wonder none of the GP boys want to ride here!

 

I personally am not a fan of Holder, but after what he has gone through injury wise, I dont condemn his actions!

[Steve Shovlar]

Rider power is nothing new, but it has to be controlled. 40 odd years ago Michael Lee would put a 1000 people on the gate just by being there, and that was a big cash imput the promoters had to appreciate. Love him or hate him he must've been the biggest headache to have in any team. Dispute all the harbouring, all the forgiving and all the inconvenience the promoters showed, they eventually made the decision to let him go, knowing the lost of income would be massive. They did that, believing the sport was bigger than the man.

 

Chris Holder is relative new at Lynn and doesn't have the same following as someone like Lee, But he had been accepted and was settling in well. Not scoring the points that was expected of him, but improving each week. He could have made Lynn his new home and the fans would have continued to support him with open arms. that was until last Thursday, when he let all these people down.

 

My personal view of the situation is that Chris didn't want to help the Stars in their quest for success against his beloved Pirates and wanted any excuse to perform badly. The track wasn't that bad, as heat times showed, but it gave the Chris the opportunity he needed. Looking back at his first race, Chris made a decent start , but eased off against Andersen when entering the first corner , and that was before he had sampled the track, So I believe the mind-set was there even before the start.

 

Chris's actions last week has all but destroyed the fans belief of him being a genuine person with integrity. When he has lost that, he hasn't anything else left to give..

 

I for one, thought he was a far better person than that.....

All sounds quite feasible except for one fact. The night before at Poole he won the meeting for Kings Lynn with an excellent performance. Surely if he wanted to endear himself to the Poole fans a poor performance at Wimborne Road would have been the order of the day.

 

In truth he didn't like the super grippy track Buster put out and thought it was dangerous. When riders get in a mindset about a track it doesn't seem to matter what work is done to it. Riders switch out of racing mode and they are done for the day. Seems that happened here.

[hammer1969]

When he won the meeting for Kings Lynn at Poole he could have been saying to Matt Ford "Look what you've lost I'm the best rider round this track and you got rid of me"

[False dawn]

It is a restraint of trade, but as the riders are self employed it is up to them to accept the terms or not.

It is up to the Polish club who they offer a contract to and the rider to accept or reject the terms offered.

If no rider refuses to ride in Poland because of this the Poles condition will do what they want.

Sorry (again). When I studied contract law, it was not possible to alter the law through contractual clauses. For example, companies sometimes seek to forbid employees going to a competitor with trade secrets. This is permissible under the law but only up to a point. If this deemed unreasonable, for example the length of time before going to another company, it is unlawful and cannot be upheld in law.

For sure a single rider is in a very weak position in challenging these rules. But the FIM should intervene and bring a class action on behalf of all riders affected.

Apologies. I've just realised this is off topic. Valid, but in the wrong place.

[A ORLOV]

Sorry (again). When I studied contract law, it was not possible to alter the law through contractual clauses. For example, companies sometimes seek to forbid employees going to a competitor with trade secrets. This is permissible under the law but only up to a point. If this deemed unreasonable, for example the length of time before going to another company, it is unlawful and cannot be upheld in law.

For sure a single rider is in a very weak position in challenging these rules. But the FIM should intervene and bring a class action on behalf of all riders affected.

Apologies. I've just realised this is off topic. Valid, but in the wrong place.

Remember they are not employees so restraint of trade is not applicable. What is applicable is the conditions imposed by the polish clubs. It is up to the rider to accept or reject the Polish conditions, then for the club to engage them or not. The rider might then try to sue because the club is restricting what the rider can do but the club would just not employ them. The best action would be for the top riders in the world to sign for a Polish club but cross out any part of the contract that stops them riding elsewhere, or just not ride in Poland.