Burgerdodger Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Are you Better for it then! Have you piled all your money into giving people Speedway in Norfolk .Have you worked 18 hours a day trying to broker a deal to save TWO clubs form total wipeout Oh yes i remember you done it all. Well done old chap. Perhaps you would be man enough and go and ask Keith Chapman yourself . Nah,Another keyboard warrior 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Nothing against Buster personally, but the head of the BSPA shouldn't be involved with any speedway team, in my opinion. So if we had a Speedway Fans Association you'd suggest not having a fan as chairperson? Or the SRA shouldn't have a rider as chair person? It makes perfect sense for the chairperson of the BSPA to be a member of the BSPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Would you have put Fergie in charge of the FA when he was manager of Man Utd ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 It hardly matters because there is not one of them ( nor collectively ) that can turn around the fortunes of speedway in respect of attracting new fans. Buster thought he could and he might say that he has only just started on his Master Plan. They collectively wasted the Sky TV income over fifteen years by paying the top riders top money and that still didn't work. Back to basics with semi pro might work with weekly speedway as per years ago. But the fare on offer now is being rejected again. Doubling up and hanging on to riders whose minds are elsewhere, is making things worse. It can hardly get any worse without viable attendances ( other than to cease entirely ). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 So if we had a Speedway Fans Association you'd suggest not having a fan as chairperson? Or the SRA shouldn't have a rider as chair person? Those bodies wouldn't/don't have a regulatory or oversight role in the sport. Someone making rules on things affecting competition shouldn't really be the representative of a team in said competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Tried to screw over BV. Tried to steal a BV rider despite all clubs agreeing not to. More of a hindrance than a help to Coventry. Took the BSPA pile of cash to move in the EL in 2011 leaving Peterborough and Coventry in a mess. Since taking over as BSPA chairman the sport has kept the fans in the dark more than ever and seemingly lurched from farce to farce. As for the mess Lynn are currently in, NL club closing during the season and the Premiership team/club being a mess. Just what good as he done for the sport? Never screw Belle Vue over wanted to make sure the club could run all season same with Cov peterbrough was sold nothing to do with buster and we closed are nl as we could not pay the money other clubs in the nl could and if you look we sign rider who can get better which the league is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Would you have put Fergie in charge of the FA when he was manager of Man Utd ? Is the FA the football managers association? If not, you're argument is flawed. Those bodies wouldn't/don't have a regulatory or oversight role in the sport. Someone making rules on things affecting competition shouldn't really be the representative of a team in said competition. So take the regulatory and oversight role off the BSPA then. Thats the real issue, not that a promoter is in charge of the group of people that exist to represent the promoters. Never screw Belle Vue over wanted to make sure the club could run all season same with Cov peterbrough was sold nothing to do with buster and we closed are nl as we could not pay the money other clubs in the nl could and if you look we sign rider who can get better which the league is all about. Sure, tell yourself that. He didnt make things awkward because the "wrong" people were trying to run things? He didn't try and steal Max Fricke? Sure. As for Coventry/Peterborough. He was given both clubs Sky money to move into the EL. He didnt give a rubbish about Coventry or Peterborough then did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 Never screw Belle Vue over wanted to make sure the club could run all season same with Cov peterbrough was sold nothing to do with buster and we closed are nl as we could not pay the money other clubs in the nl could and if you look we sign rider who can get better which the league is all about. Some sentence that. Translation required for me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Aces 51 wrote " This same man is Chairman of the BSPA. It doesn't inspire confidence. Would anybody appoint someone not making a success of their own local business to run a national company? He promised by now to have delivered openness and transparency, a new rule book and a league sponsor but has failed to do so. There can be no excuse for not achieving the first two promises and this is a man who now admits to being petrified of rider power. The sport hasn't got the luxury of time to wait and see if he can eventually deliver what is required. Where is the plan to rebuild the sport? Is it yet another secret to be kept away from those who play a vital role in keeping the sport alive, the fans. Does it even exist? Speedway is on life support and fans are not seeing anything to encourage a belief that those in charge even know what many of the problems are, let alone have workable solutions. Perhaps it is time for Chapman to step aside and concentrate on rebuilding his own club. The BSPA need someone with the vision and ability to take the sport forward. If there is nobody within their ranks with those abilities they must acknowledge it and look elsewhere for the right person. That is what any sensible business would do. The basic concept of four riders racing on a well prepared track is as capable now of attracting fans as it has ever been. It is all of the other aspects that need action, the rules, the facilities, the PR, the publicity, the continuity of riders in teams, making fans feel valued etc." I agree and said elsewhere (but it seem more pertinent in this thread ) - If the BSPA are serious about wanting to ( needing to ) re-build the sport then they should be asking Buster to step aside. Fans at KL would love to see something of the "old" earlier, energised Buster rebuilding the Stars as a credible club - at any level within speedway. Because it looks as if ( from the outside and no-one knows what it looks like from the inside ) that no-one there has the vision and leadership needed at club level. It would be easy to get the feeling that the sport will not continue at KL next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Aces 51 wrote " This same man is Chairman of the BSPA. It doesn't inspire confidence. Would anybody appoint someone not making a success of their own local business to run a national company? He promised by now to have delivered openness and transparency, a new rule book and a league sponsor but has failed to do so. There can be no excuse for not achieving the first two promises and this is a man who now admits to being petrified of rider power. The sport hasn't got the luxury of time to wait and see if he can eventually deliver what is required. Where is the plan to rebuild the sport? Is it yet another secret to be kept away from those who play a vital role in keeping the sport alive, the fans. Does it even exist? Speedway is on life support and fans are not seeing anything to encourage a belief that those in charge even know what many of the problems are, let alone have workable solutions. Perhaps it is time for Chapman to step aside and concentrate on rebuilding his own club. The BSPA need someone with the vision and ability to take the sport forward. If there is nobody within their ranks with those abilities they must acknowledge it and look elsewhere for the right person. That is what any sensible business would do. The basic concept of four riders racing on a well prepared track is as capable now of attracting fans as it has ever been. It is all of the other aspects that need action, the rules, the facilities, the PR, the publicity, the continuity of riders in teams, making fans feel valued etc." I agree and said elsewhere (but it seem more pertinent in this thread ) - If the BSPA are serious about wanting to ( needing to ) re-build the sport then they should be asking Buster to step aside. Fans at KL would love to see something of the "old" earlier, energised Buster rebuilding the Stars as a credible club - at any level within speedway. Because it looks as if ( from the outside and no-one knows what it looks like from the inside ) that no-one there has the vision and leadership needed at club level. It would be easy to get the feeling that the sport will not continue at KL next season. A well reasoned Post. I sincerely hope that you are wrong in your conclusion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonmole Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Did anyone seriously think he would make a difference ... that is anyone who knew him. He's a likeable guy but Buster Chapman running British Speedway. I don't think so. Trouble is, within the sport as it stands, there are few other worthwhile candidates. Unless you know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 In fairness, we have to accept that it will be a massive task to get speedway back on an even keel again, but the high hopes that Mr Chapman would set the ball rolling do not seem to have materialised and this season, the sport seems to have become a bigger shambles than ever. Very few people would disagree that there is an urgent need to drastically reduce the use of guest riders and to totally dispense with the farce of allowing riders to ride for more than one team, but this cannot be achieved overnight and will have to be done in stages if it is ever to be. We could start by finding out which Premiership riders are prepared to fully commit to their British clubs and then tell those who are not, that there are no places for them - perhaps some of them could go on a list for use instead of guests when the need arises? (ie British clubs should "use" them at our convenience instead of it being the other way round!) Yes, it would lower overall standards but equality of teams is the key to good racing, and the so-called "big stars" don't always produce this. No rider should be allowed to ride for two teams. They should make up their minds which league they want to race in, and be compelled to stick to that decision. Again, the overall standard will be lowered, but so what? We would all have our "own" teams to follow without the need for wholesale changes everywhere at the start of every season. Pay rates need to be sustained at a level all tracks can afford - each league is only as strong as its weakest member so the less financially off clubs shouldn't be forced to pay rates that they can't afford. Each club should have a minimum of three non-team members who should be given at least one ride at his local track after every meeting - and they shouldn't be the same three riders "shared" by different tracks. They should be given some kind of Junior Contract which guarantees them this second half ride for a season, after which they should be free to go elsewhere if they so desire. The two reserve positions at each club should be interchangeable with the three juniors, giving any rider who loses his team place through loss of form, a fair opportunity to win it back through his performances in the second half races. Inevitably, some clubs will become stronger than others through either the enterprise of their promoters or sheer good fortune, and the relative strengths of the teams in each league should be re-assessed periodically (NOT every season). The points limit was a good idea in principle but has been shown over the years to be flawed and needs to be replaced by a detailed grading system independently administered. It would be unrealistic to expect promoters to have no say in the way speedway is administered. It is their money, and their business and it's wholly understandable that they are reluctant to allow outsiders to make decisions which might adversely affect their business. This was always a powerful criticism of the Speedway Control Board which used to run the sport in the old days, and was a major reason why the BSPA originally came into being. It's easy to blame the BSPA for everything as so many people do, and this is frequently done in an unfair and unreasonable way. I do believe that the BSPA do their best for speedway, but I also agree that there is an urgent need to look for a better and more acceptable way of running the sport - but one thing is certain - speedway needs to get back to basics, re-start from the bottom and gradually rebuild. To try to compete with Poland or Sweden is a non-starter and shouldn't be contemplated. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 In fairness, we have to accept that it will be a massive task to get speedway back on an even keel again...... Crikey. Where did you come from? You sound sensible with some reasonable ideas. I think you're on the wrong forum. Seriously, this is one of the best posts that I've read in a long time, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlivefrankie Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) The major flaw in British speedway is that the promoters actually are in charge. What other sports do this if any? Too many vested interests if you ask me, an independent body should be governing. Edited July 31, 2017 by Ken Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I thought this season league racing was much better compared to years gone by, Shame that this last transfer movement has caused a bit of a stir but on the whole this does seem to have been the best league season in a while. Crowds are in general up, results arent as wide as years gone by, the racing Ive seen (hands up Ive only seen via TV/YouTube) seems to be decent. GB isnt going to get anywhere near Poland crowds, but we should at the very least strive for what Sweden have. And it's pretty simple how that can be done, only have to look at Belle Vue Wolves the other day. Have a well prepared race track and competitive admission price and you'll be well on your way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I thought this season league racing was much better compared to years gone by, Shame that this last transfer movement has caused a bit of a stir but on the whole this does seem to have been the best league season in a while. Crowds are in general up, results arent as wide as years gone by, the racing Ive seen (hands up Ive only seen via TV/YouTube) seems to be decent. GB isnt going to get anywhere near Poland crowds, but we should at the very least strive for what Sweden have. And it's pretty simple how that can be done, only have to look at Belle Vue Wolves the other day. Have a well prepared race track and competitive admission price and you'll be well on your way... Competitive admission, Its the same for all BT meetings. Didn't add that bit did you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Aces 51 wrote " This same man is Chairman of the BSPA. It doesn't inspire confidence. Would anybody appoint someone not making a success of their own local business to run a national company? He promised by now to have delivered openness and transparency, a new rule book and a league sponsor but has failed to do so. There can be no excuse for not achieving the first two promises and this is a man who now admits to being petrified of rider power. The sport hasn't got the luxury of time to wait and see if he can eventually deliver what is required. Where is the plan to rebuild the sport? Is it yet another secret to be kept away from those who play a vital role in keeping the sport alive, the fans. Does it even exist? Speedway is on life support and fans are not seeing anything to encourage a belief that those in charge even know what many of the problems are, let alone have workable solutions. Perhaps it is time for Chapman to step aside and concentrate on rebuilding his own club. The BSPA need someone with the vision and ability to take the sport forward. If there is nobody within their ranks with those abilities they must acknowledge it and look elsewhere for the right person. That is what any sensible business would do. The basic concept of four riders racing on a well prepared track is as capable now of attracting fans as it has ever been. It is all of the other aspects that need action, the rules, the facilities, the PR, the publicity, the continuity of riders in teams, making fans feel valued etc." I agree and said elsewhere (but it seem more pertinent in this thread ) - If the BSPA are serious about wanting to ( needing to ) re-build the sport then they should be asking Buster to step aside. Fans at KL would love to see something of the "old" earlier, energised Buster rebuilding the Stars as a credible club - at any level within speedway. Because it looks as if ( from the outside and no-one knows what it looks like from the inside ) that no-one there has the vision and leadership needed at club level. It would be easy to get the feeling that the sport will not continue at KL next season. Couldn't have put it better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Competitive admission, Its the same for all BT meetings. Didn't add that bit did you.. I didnt know that bit sorry Point I am making though is more people come if its cheaper.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I didnt know that bit sorry Point I am making though is more people come if its cheaper.. Yep they would, definately in the summer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 waytogo28 spot on with his comments,Buster seems to have taken on more than he can chew.there doesn't seem to be much delegation amongst the BSPA members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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