Theboss Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just pack yourself on the back you're not in there fighting to make speedway great. Your negative analysis is less than helpful. Care to explain how my analysis changes anything, or would you prefer every one to enjoy being mushrooms? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) So when the tv money does run out, which could be Oct this year, from what you are saying it seems the Premiership league will cease to exist. That would answer a few questions about certain things that seem to be happening. When Poland next year goes to 'Poland plus one', it will effectively remove the GP riders as well as several current heat leaders... What this country will be left with is the top GB riders (ex Woffy and possibly Lambert), and lots of Championship level heat leaders/second strings from various parts of the globe.. These will then be supplemented by National League level riders filling lower second string/reserve places... For me, to survive, British Speedway needs to live it's life in 'splendid isolation' such is its distance from ever being in line to compete with Sweden and Poland. Not having to be beholding to Poland and Sweden when planning fixtures may assist them in doing that and let GB take charge of its own destiny... Maybe cutting it's cloth accordingly with an operating model based on affordability, credibility and integrity may give it a chance to rebuild from the bottom upwards and this time get it right!!..? Edited July 16, 2017 by mikebv 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Care to explain how my analysis changes anything? There is a team of people trying to get the Bees up and running again. There are youngsters riding their hearts out on 125's and 250's for no money trying to be the next World Champion. There are riders putting their lives on the line every week wondering how to balance the books. Need I go on? You offer nothing to encourage these people. If you think you know they are deluded, leave them in ignorance please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just pack yourself on the back you're not in there fighting to make speedway great. Your negative analysis is less than helpful. Do you want him to lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Do you want him to lie. No. Just be quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 There is a team of people trying to get the Bees up and running again. There are youngsters riding their hearts out on 125's and 250's for no money trying to be the next World Champion. There are riders putting their lives on the line every week wondering how to balance the books. Need I go on? You offer nothing to encourage these people. If you think you know they are deluded, leave them in ignorance please? Well let's all turn a blind eye because you want your world to carry on under a false pretence. Hope you reassess your attitude and realise that speedway in this country is on life support and anyone looking to spend money on the sport should be aware of what bumps may lay in the road ahead. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Well let's all turn a blind eye because you want your world to carry on under a false pretence. Hope you reassess your attitude and realise that speedway in this country is on life support and anyone looking to spend money on the sport should be aware of what bumps may lay in the road ahead. I am an intelligent fellow who's followed the sport for many years. So let's get real. Thompson twins, give up. James, my money was for nothing, retire now. The Save Coventry Speedway Committee: you're wasting your time along with the local council and our MP, disband now. Oh and Buster, that was a shambles you put on last Thursday, retire now while you're ahead. I suggest you leave us in splendid ignorance. Edited July 16, 2017 by False dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I am an intelligent fellow who's followed the sport for many years. So let's get real. Thompson twins, give up. James, my money was for nothing, retire now. The Save Coventry Speedway Committee: you're wasting your time along with the local council and our MP, disband now. Oh and Buster, that was a shambles you put on last Thursday, retire now while you're ahead. I suggest you leave us in splendid ignorance. If you do not like what I have to say then please put me on ignore, however be be assured your comments will not stop me posting my opinions on an open forum. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 If you do not like what I have to say then please put me on ignore, however be be assured your comments will not stop me posting my opinions on an open forum. As Voltaire said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I guess my postings sent the wrong message. For sure I think we're on the same side. But please, some constructive comment would be welcome, rather than doom and gloom. There are a lot of riders, promoters, track staff and fans who want to see our sport continue, nee thrive (and they read this stuff). You know the sport. Tell us some way, however small, how we can turn the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 We all need to be realistic, & realize that our great sport is in trouble. Jonothan talks a lot of sense in my opinion, but when someone like him doesn't have any answers, what is the answer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 the great Bert Harkins has said recently 2 valve were fine and its all gone downhill since then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 the great Bert Harkins has said recently 2 valve were fine and its all gone downhill since then Funny thing is, my Dad told me they said the same thing when they changed from the big wheels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 the great Bert Harkins has said recently 2 valve were fine and its all gone downhill since then At least I am in good company with my views. Bert is Spot On!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Bert is Spot On!!! He'd better be, otherwise Scotland wouldn't have a team. Oh bugger, he's retired hasn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 He'd better be, otherwise Scotland wouldn't have a team. Oh bugger, he's retired hasn't he? Yes - he has. He was a cracking Rider in his day. https://www.google.com/search?q=bert+harkins&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&imgil=WyMv2ymWBpxa8M%253A%253BBHoAA13KbPg0SM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fedinburghspeedway.blogspot.com%25252F2013%25252F03%25252Fbert-harkins.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=WyMv2ymWBpxa8M%253A%252CBHoAA13KbPg0SM%252C_&usg=__hKHqsrRzn8t1mIPP7Fo6xvJ2bR0%3D&biw=1440&bih=767&ved=0ahUKEwiI0IGR3I7VAhVqKsAKHR2hAfEQyjcIRw&ei=DNdrWYiaFurUgAadwoaIDw#imgrc=WyMv2ymWBpxa8M: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 He was a cracking Rider in his day. He certainly was. Well turned out and a stylish competitor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I think whoever 'leads' the BSPA will struggle to make any significant difference to the way the sport is run. Understandably there are too many unwilling to upset the status quo and risk losing (even more of?) their money to take a punt on things that are unproven to make any real financial difference. That includes by far the vast majority of the things suggested on here. As far as Kings Lynn track goes they have put some different material on very recently that held moisture noticeably better than on my previous visits. Judging the track on the SWC qualifier is unrealistic given there was such a large difference in the standard of riders that good racing with passing would have been unlikely at most tracks. I've given my opinion on the return to 2V, uprights etc many times and they haven't changed. Whatever engines were in use by now they would be revving just as hard courtesy of light flywheels with a short stroke and make little or no difference to the cost or racing. If, and it's a big if, changing the engines is the answer then a rev limiter that would allow big flywheels and longer stroke engines to return would be my preference for allowing engines to deal with difficult and or deep tracks as well as increasing reliability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Shame people won't listen to someone who actually knows the nitty gritty about running a Club, he is 100% correct, some people would much rather 'think' they know what is best, get over it, the 'sport' is finished as we know it. Edited July 17, 2017 by Lord Skid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 It was too late when Buster was given "control" of the sport. The decline was and is irreversible. That is not being full of doom and gloom but is a look at the reality of falling attendances and general lack of interest in the sport from those not involved in it. Poland IS a different world speedway wise and we are not able to copy that model ( nor what was working in Sweden ). Without a fan base ( or big spending sponsors who are really pumping up themselves ) a semi pro low-level sport - if any -is the shape of the future. If you can get £1,000 a point in Poland IF you can get in it, that's the place to go to for younger riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 It was too late when Buster was given "control" of the sport. The decline was and is irreversible. That is not being full of doom and gloom but is a look at the reality of falling attendances and general lack of interest in the sport from those not involved in it. Poland IS a different world speedway wise and we are not able to copy that model ( nor what was working in Sweden ). Without a fan base ( or big spending sponsors who are really pumping up themselves ) a semi pro low-level sport - if any -is the shape of the future. If you can get £1,000 a point in Poland IF you can get in it, that's the place to go to for younger riders. If people cast their minds back to the opening months this year, there was a concensus that this year gates had actually improved and that it was noted that the promotions and the BSPA were being more pro active to using social media. I know for a fact that Newcastle are regularly putting more news and updates before and after events on Facebook and Twitter, in preference to using our own website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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