Wolverhampton Wolves Vs Poole Pirates 17/07/17

[Beowulf]

  On 7/18/2017 at 4:46 PM, ouch said:

As is often the case with speedway over the last few years, being proved right gives me no pleasure whatsoever.

 

Eh ? What are you right about ?

[SteveLyric2]

  On 7/18/2017 at 3:48 PM, racers and royals said:

Is Kurtz going to try and ride in the U21 opening round in Poznan Sunday ?

That is/was certainly the plan. He has been having specialist oxygen chamber sessions to speed up the rib repairs.

 

KK has another week on his 9.23 average before it drops on completion of his 4 home/4 away quota against Somerset on 26th

Edited July 18, 2017 by Skidder1

[scottyfan]

  On 7/18/2017 at 10:16 AM, dump that clutch said:

_{the way RW is riding will make MF sit up and take notice...}

_{does he bin him to bring Brady back or just release the massively overrated KK instead...?}

Get rid of Kasprzak and replace him with Brady when he's fit again and keep the other six.

[Steve Shovlar]

  On 7/18/2017 at 4:27 PM, Fourentee said:

Not according to referee Ronnie Allen.

Shanes was basically speared by Greaves. Was gobsmacked when shanes was excluded. Shanes has an unusual style but was in control entering the first bend when Greaves clattered into him. I was on the metal stand at the first bend so had a very good view of the incident.

  On 7/18/2017 at 4:38 PM, Perton Wolf said:

Clegg was a poor choice of Guest, no doubt about it. As for Greaves, he is pretty much what you would expect from a 2pt average rider but I don't see how Shanes would've beat him yesterday - Greaves scored 5 and in Shanes' 2 rides before his injury, he could barely stay on the bike at times before crashing.

Could have sworn Shanes was leading Greaves before he was knocked off in his second ride. Shanes saw off both Clegg and Greaves last time we were at Monmore.

  On 7/18/2017 at 6:09 PM, Scottyfan said:

Get rid of Kasprzak and replace him with Brady when he's fit again and keep the other six.

Why? We can bring in a top rider for KK. We could have a rider of the calibre of Hancock, Hampel, shamek, Pepe, etc. Pretty sure Matt has been working on a solution. Edited July 18, 2017 by Steve Shovlar

[BWitcher]

Did anybody actually see the replay of the Shanes/Graves incident in the bar afterwards?

 

As said the WM reporter (not the commentator) felt it was the right call from the angle he was stood at. He's not normally biased in any way either.

[foreverblue]

  On 7/18/2017 at 4:27 PM, Fourentee said:

Not according to referee Ronnie Allen.

He has obviously a blind spot!

[tellboy]

  On 7/18/2017 at 7:00 PM, BWitcher said:

Did anybody actually see the replay of the Shanes/Graves incident in the bar afterwards?

 

As said the WM reporter (not the commentator) felt it was the right call from the angle he was stood at. He's not normally biased in any way either.

On the Poole website it said Shanes bike packed up in heat 2,was this the result for the collision?

Edited July 18, 2017 by tellboy

[foreverblue]

  On 7/18/2017 at 4:38 PM, Perton Wolf said:

 

Clegg was a poor choice of Guest, no doubt about it. As for Greaves, he is pretty much what you would expect from a 2pt average rider but I don't see how Shanes would've beat him yesterday - Greaves scored 5 and in Shanes' 2 rides before his injury, he could barely stay on the bike at times before crashing.

That is because in his second ride he wss riding with the injury. He is better than Greaves

[BWitcher]

  On 7/18/2017 at 7:13 PM, tellboy said:

On the Poole website it said Shanes bike packed up in heat 2,was this the result for the collision?

 

So it does, seems the referee made the right call, according to Poole anyway!

  On 7/18/2017 at 7:12 PM, foreverblue said:

He has obviously a blind spot!

 

Or maybe not

[stevebrum]

  On 7/18/2017 at 4:01 PM, New Science said:

A few points about last night:

Best wishes to Kyle for a speedy recovery, horrible crash.

Well done to Poole for coming back and taking the win, Don't think Poole would have won if Howarth had not been injured. Wolves top 5 have been just about been managing through the loss of Riss in recent weeks,but last night was a bridge too far with 2 weak reserves forced to cover for Kyle's rides.

Saw a rarity last night, the loss of Kyle and the Poole fightback seemed to galvanise the crowd, been a while since the atmosphere was that good, the racing also upped a notch as the scores got closer.

Not a great crowd last night considering a fine midsummer's night with Poole in town.

Also a word for the travelling Poole supporters, credit to you , long way to travel on a Monday night.

 

perfectly put, the crowd were galvanised in the later heats.

 

  On 7/18/2017 at 5:06 PM, Beowulf said:

Eh ? What are you right about ?

 

he is never right. Another who makes an opinion without being there.

 

  On 7/18/2017 at 7:00 PM, BWitcher said:

Did anybody actually see the replay of the Shanes/Graves incident in the bar afterwards?

 

As said the WM reporter (not the commentator) felt it was the right call from the angle he was stood at. He's not normally biased in any way either.

Greaves was already under but Shanes was completely out of shape and leant on greaves.

I expected greaves to be excluded and Shanes get away with it. Referee called it right.

[LisaColette]

So Poole fans says it was the wolves rider fault and Wolves fans said it was the Poole riders fault. Not like you're biased or anything....

[foreverblue]

  On 7/18/2017 at 9:09 PM, lisa-colette said:

So Poole fans says it was the wolves rider fault and Wolves fans said it was the Poole riders fault. Not like you're biased or anything....

 

Greaves went straight over to see if Shanes was ok, either they are mates of he was feeling guilty.

Edited July 18, 2017 by foreverblue

[stevebrum]

  On 7/18/2017 at 9:09 PM, lisa-colette said:

So Poole fans says it was the wolves rider fault and Wolves fans said it was the Poole riders fault. Not like you're biased or anything....

I will go with the ref. He is neither a Wolves or Poole fan!

Easily sorted.

[BWitcher]

  On 7/18/2017 at 9:09 PM, lisa-colette said:

So Poole fans says it was the wolves rider fault and Wolves fans said it was the Poole riders fault. Not like you're biased or anything....

 

The Poole website says Shanes suffered a hand injury following mechanical failure in Heat 2.

 

I would suggest they are not biased towards Greaves.

  On 7/18/2017 at 9:43 PM, foreverblue said:

Greaves went straight over to see if Shanes was ok, either they are mates of he was feeling guilty.

 

And again, the Poole website reports what actually happened.

[foreverblue]

  On 7/19/2017 at 12:02 AM, BWitcher said:

 

The Poole website says Shanes suffered a hand injury following mechanical failure in Heat 2.

 

I would suggest they are not biased towards Greaves.

 

 

And again, the Poole website reports what actually happened.

The Poole site gives a considered politically correct view. From where i was standing as Shanes entered the bend Greaves went into the side of him, didnt hit him hard but if he hadnt touched why would he fly in to the fence when both riders were on the inside. On Poole twitter at the time it says Shanes tangled with Greaves innocently before being disqualified.

Edited July 19, 2017 by foreverblue

[stevebrum]

  On 7/19/2017 at 6:44 AM, foreverblue said:

The Poole site gives a considered politically correct view. From where i was standing as Shanes entered the bend Greaves went into the side of him, didnt hit him hard but if he hadnt touched why would he fly in to the fence when both riders were on the inside. On Poole twitter at the time it says Shanes tangled with Greaves innocently before being disqualified.

And from my viewpoint Greaves was already under him before the bend until Shanes leant all over him. Neither was in control of their bikes by then.

[foreverblue]

  On 7/19/2017 at 8:20 AM, stevebrum said:

And from my viewpoint Greaves was already under him before the bend until Shanes leant all over him. Neither was in control of their bikes by then.

So the decision could have gone either way.

[BWitcher]

  On 7/19/2017 at 10:07 AM, foreverblue said:

So the decision could have gone either way.

 

The Poole website specifically mentions mechanical failure. That's not a politically correct, neutral point of view. They could have simply reported a 'racing incident' or a 'collision', but they have been very specific which suggests they obtained information.

 

As such, the decision would have been entirely correct.

[foreverblue]

  On 7/19/2017 at 10:41 AM, BWitcher said:

 

The Poole website specifically mentions mechanical failure. That's not a politically correct, neutral point of view. They could have simply reported a 'racing incident' or a 'collision', but they have been very specific which suggests they obtained information.

 

As such, the decision would have been entirely correct.

Are they saying a mechanical failure prior to Greaves hitting him, Stevebrum suggested Shanes leaned on Greaves why would he try that if he was not under power and I can't see how Ronnie Allen could know that he had a mechanical failure, I was a lot closer to the incident than he was.

[BWitcher]

  On 7/19/2017 at 10:54 AM, foreverblue said:

Are they saying a mechanical failure prior to Greaves hitting him, Stevebrum suggested Shanes leaned on Greaves why would he try that if he was not under power and I can't see how Ronnie Allen could know that he had a mechanical failure, I was a lot closer to the incident than he was.

 

You may have been closer, but the view the referee has is very good, it is much higher and gives a much better angle to see what took place.

 

There have been many times I've seen incidents on turn 1 at Monmore and thought a referee was wrong only to view it back later and it's very different. Of course there have been times when a referee has made a poor decision too.

 

I just find it unusual the Poole report specifically mentions the mechanical failure.

 

It would be interesting to see a replay of the incident for sure!