Belle Vue V Swindon 14/7/17

[stevebrum]

Does anyone know what has happened to Fred Flange?

 

Seems his last post was on June 21st when he had another of his infamous rants.

 

Funnily enough, on that same day, the Drop a Cog account was changed to the name of "Fred Flange" and it is that account that has been stinking up the forum since.

 

Of course, we know multiple accounts are totally against forum rules.

 

 

And no one will be surprised I'm sure either. I can't abide multiple account users. Something very wrong with anyone who feels a need to do this.

No doubt you will mention that I'm supposed to have another Facebook account (yet another lie) however feel free to name it here. I have no issue with it. As 1,000,000% it won't be anything to do with me, or be me or will have been set up fraudulently.

Feel free to name it on here. I'd say you have my permission but I can't wait to link whoever it is into this post.

go ahead.

 

Lying again, no surprise, lol!

If you read the comments in the thread it clearly wasn't only me who took offence at your attitude to seriously injured speedway riders.

Feel free to mention the ban AGAIN, I posted a link to the details.

As I've said, I reacted to what you think was an acceptable comment about Zagars haematoma injury followed immediately by using a crippled rider to make another point.

What is wrong with you, lol!

Nothing wrong with me. You were the one who got BANNED for personal attacks not me. No doubt you will try and convince us you have good reason for having multiple accounts on here.

Your reaction got you a ban, my comment was deemed acceptable if it's still there.

Carrying a grudge is very childish. What is wrong with you!!

Edited July 17, 2017 by stevebrum

[ABS]

Racing at the NSS seems to be better when it is slicker. However, it still provides good racing as witnessed in the Peter Craven and other meetings this year. My theory, for what it's worth, is that when we had the recent heatwave they were at pains to heavily water the track to prevent dust, which it did but that involved putting more water on the outside. The track can take it because of the excellent drainage but the result is more grip on the outside because it retains more of the moisture.

 

I also think the change back to the old racing format has had an adverse affect because you get fewer races between riders of similar ability. The bonus is that it should provide genuine averages, if only we knew the formula they are using and the rationale behind it. It baffles me why they think they have to keep these things secret and only adds to the belief that the fans are best ignored.

 

For this meeting, the watering of the track would have been, in the main, through natural means, as we had a lot of rain all of Thursday and most of Friday morning. Maybe the shale needs to be pulled back from the outside more than once every four races?

[nw42]

Remind me again please why you two can't take this to pm. Honestly you should be embarrassed by what you're posting, would you really carry on like this if you had to actually face those of us who are forced to put up with thread after thread being ruined by your childish spats, somehow I think not.

 

There really is no excuse for clogging up threads, the pm facility exists just for this purpose, nobody else is the slightest bit interested in who said what about who.

 

Don't advise me to block your posts, if this were the real world it would be you pair who were kicked out of the room to continue your petty squabbling in private, so why not eh.... You know it makes sense.

[Aces51]

For this meeting, the watering of the track would have been, in the main, through natural means, as we had a lot of rain all of Thursday and most of Friday morning. Maybe the shale needs to be pulled back from the outside more than once every four races?

There was a fair amount of rain but when I entered the stadium at about 6.30 the inside of the track looked relatively dry, the water bowser was going round and did so intermittently for the next 30 minutes concentrating mainly on the bends from the mid line almost up to the fence. You could see by the darker colour of the shale that the outside of the bends was much wetter than the inside. I may well be wrong that it is the watering which is contributing to making the outside line much quicker than the inside but it seems to me logical.

 

The problem with pulling back the shale is that it is only pulled back over the outside racing line. What does seem to help is when the tractors pull it back by weaving accross the track on the bends.

Edited July 17, 2017 by Aces51

[Speedy swindon pete]

Also the modern bikes tend to handle better on slicker surfaces do they not?

 

From anecdotal evidence from the riders when the new silencers came in, it would seem they do, to me it looks like they do as well. Although i think the more crucial point is that they don't handle well on inconsistent surfaces (slick and grippy all at once). It must be much easier to maintain a consistent surface through the course of a meeting when its on the slicker side.

 

It shows some of the arcane views that are still ingrained in plenty of speedway fans that haven't bothered paying attention in the last 10 years. "The racing was rubbish, so the track was too slick, needed more dirt on it", doesn't wash these days. Fact is you can get great racing on slick tracks and grippy tracks in this age. You can also get crap racing on both too. Its the distribution of dirt thats key. as someone said earlier, just dumping a load of dirt on the track just means that the inside is just as fast as the outside, and the shortest way round. So you just end up with a circular drag strip. Slicker inside, dirt out wide in the right proportion is the key. And its got to be consistent.

 

It's been my major bugbear when we've had meetings on TV from Kings Lynn to be told that the track is top class, will be a great night, all this build up and then we just get 15 heats of riders racing to the first bend then following each other round at blistering pace, hoping they don't hit the inevitable slick then mega grippy patch mid-bend, making the bike lock up / rear /buck up, what ever.

 

I think the thing that makes the bigger tracks like BV in particular, when on the slicker side, good, is that to be quick on it and remain quick, its not just about hitting the dirt line full throttle and hanging on, its about positioning on the bike, keeping wheels in line, building up the speed. Inevitably that way its harder to defend a position from someone riding a different line a different way. I'm sure thats where BV will find their home advantage too. Anyone can turn up to a massive, wide oval and turn it up to 11 for 4 laps, but not allowing that and home riders knowing how to keep their wheels in line or making the cutbacks or dive-bombs where necessary is where the advance lies, and hopefully the better racing too.

[Speedy swindon pete]

More evidence of how the bikes react going from slick to deep dirt at Leicester on the TV tonight.