stevebrum Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Steve, Greaves had a stint at Swindon had you forgot ? so there ent that much difference in experience.Greaves has also had two seasons at PL level with Sheffield and Workington. And has failed miserably! clegg had a break thru season last year so I'd put him ahead of Greaves. Although if you look at this year both look on a fairly similar level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Effectively the same rider in the team (Grondal replaced by Gappmeier replaced by Alpen) - which is where Swindon have been lacking - now have a better balanced side I was just pointing out Swindon had made changes just like all the other teams Including Belle Vue Last night was my firs visit to the NSS. I left feeling disappointed, having seen so many great races there on TV. The two memorable races were for 2nd/3rd place. It seemed to be that the guy in second on both occasions lost out by trying to catch the rider in front and was riding slightly the wrong line. Last night there seemed to be one really fast line out wide. Perhaps regular attenders could comment on whether the track was prepared differently to usual. One thing that struck me was that Cook was very reluctant to try the outside line, continually trying to work his way through on the inside. I'd have thought he'd have worked it out after his first ride. Maybe he had bike problems? Not sure why the racing wasn't up to usual NSS sttandards ? BV 1 - 7 seemed to lack any kind of speed , and were out gated on numerous occasions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 And has failed miserably! clegg had a break thru season last year so I'd put him ahead of Greaves. Although if you look at this year both look on a fairly similar level. The point i was trying to make the rule that is in place is a joke a reserve is a reserve ok you have to have one Brit which i agree with why shouldnt Clegg be able to replace Greaves.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 The point i was trying to make the rule that is in place is a joke a reserve is a reserve ok you have to have one Brit which i agree with why shouldnt Clegg be able to replace Greaves.? Oh I see. Comes downs to averages then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 But more importantly outed another of your lies. Win win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Can you both take it to PM as it is really boring now - the chuckle brothers are funnier! Oh and FF - we all get your views about the qualification for the end of season playoffs as you constantly repeat yourself - and that's beyond boring too! Rant over - have a nice day everyone F1 and tennis day for me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) :rolleyes: Ahhh! That's better - I took his advice - pity he didn't take mine! Now brum all I ask is that you don't quote his posts as I have no desire to see them. Edited July 16, 2017 by Steve0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Oh I see. Comes downs to averages then! I just looked Steve Greaves average 2.67. Clegg at 2.25 anyway with the nitty gritty part of the season coming up do you think Max might of nicked the extra point here and there.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Last night was my firs visit to the NSS. I left feeling disappointed, having seen so many great races there on TV. The two memorable races were for 2nd/3rd place. It seemed to be that the guy in second on both occasions lost out by trying to catch the rider in front and was riding slightly the wrong line. Last night there seemed to be one really fast line out wide. Perhaps regular attenders could comment on whether the track was prepared differently to usual. One thing that struck me was that Cook was very reluctant to try the outside line, continually trying to work his way through on the inside. I'd have thought he'd have worked it out after his first ride. Maybe he had bike problems? Just my opinion and I am far from a track expert.It seems of late that there is a lot more grip on the outside of the track than there used to be and when a rider gets on that fast line there is no catching them.From before the start of the meeting you can see a distinct line where its smooth on the inside and much more cut up on the outside and even more dirt builds up as the meeting goes on and the outside line gets even faster.The whole track used to be prepaired a lot slicker and to me the quality of the racing was a lot better it just seems to create many more racing lines seeing a pass on the inside used to be a regular thing now you don't see it as often.I look back to the world cup last year and the semi final track was very grippy and the racing was bobbins for the final the track was a lot slicker and it created a fantastic meeting with more passes than I can mention. So for me make the track slicker and we will see better racing and maybe the home team will have more home track advantage by getting to know the passing lines better instead of just chasing a guy on a single fast line with no chance of catching him. Edited July 16, 2017 by B.V 72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Bang on BV72 there is too much dirt on the outside now and the inside is far too slick.It was perfect for the Peter Craven meeting which had the most passing ever seen at the NSS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldace Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Totally agree with both these posts. Last year it was slicker all over and allowed Steve Worrall to win despite being on 15mts. Also, he and Cookie were passing on the inside out of the bends, this year it seems to be on the outside out at the fence far more often. Just looking at the grippy track last Friday made me concerned. Wonder what input the riders have re. track preparation now. Also, these guy need to bring these Polish engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just my opinion and I am far from a track expert.It seems of late that there is a lot more grip on the outside of the track than there used to be and when a rider gets on that fast line there is no catching them.From before the start of the meeting you can see a distinct line where its smooth on the inside and much more cut up on the outside and even more dirt builds up as the meeting goes on and the outside line gets even faster.The whole track used to be prepaired a lot slicker and to me the quality of the racing was a lot better it just seems to create many more racing lines seeing a pass on the inside used to be a regular thing now you don't see it as often.I look back to the world cup last year and the semi final track was very grippy and the racing was bobbins for the final the track was a lot slicker and it created a fantastic meeting with more passes than I can mention. So for me make the track slicker and we will see better racing and maybe the home team will have more home track advantage by getting to know the passing lines better instead of just chasing a guy on a single fast line with no chance of catching him. Thanks! That rather confirmed my impression. Hopefully, things will improve soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Lol! I changed my account to try and get away from bullies but they found out. That was after the ban when you sarcastically took the piss out of zagars haematoma injury and when you got the reaction you were looking for made a sanctimonious comment that we should be more concerned about an injured speedway rider.http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=80156&p=2670548 I've no idea why you want the forum read that again? Anyway, at least it unwittingly produced another THWACK! as you stood on that comedy rake again, this time with you not only replying to the bullies post (you are one of the bullies though, but enough people have called you out for bullying already so it was obvious I suppose) but then admitting to more bullying justified by what you called a lie. As usual brum spews the personal insults again. Brums personal insult count in this thread: 2 (will probably rise) caught out in yet another lie and banned for abuse and bullying. carry on the insults. You are just an embarrassment as you have been shown up so many times now. It's beyond boring as the forum regulars have taken you to task all too often. A bully will never silence me with personal attacks. Anyway, sorry to the forum for replying but lies need putting right. I just looked Steve Greaves average 2.67. Clegg at 2.25 anyway with the nitty gritty part of the season coming up do you think Max might of nicked the extra point here and there.? If you look at it like that then it's no argument, i see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Unable to back up any of his accusations he just spews even more personal insults. Brums personal insult count in this thread: 6, 4 in one post!! Already proven.You gave some jackanory story of being bullied http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=84675&p=2993123 is that version true??? Or the used to be drop the cog version that you have always stated as being the reason you took offence too and rightly got banned for after consistent personal attacks on me?? alluded to here http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=84675&p=2993834 One is true, one is a lie. Either way you lied and continue to lie. And well and truly caught out. Lost count of the personal attacks made in me. Of which YOU rightly got banned for. No doubt you will continue to try avert the facts. Edited July 16, 2017 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Lol! I didn't allude to it, I spelt it out, I even linked to the thread! I created the new account to escape the bullying several weeks after your sickening points scoring using two seriously injured riders. I am happy to admit I reacted to your, in the circumstances with ward lying crippled in a hospital bed, frankly depraved post. It is a matter of record, easily verifiable by anyone who cares to check. Now you've even reverted to your jackanory bullying! Brums personal insult count in this thread: 7 (could be more, I've lost count) ha ha! At least steveo isn't missing out, well done, lol! It is a matter of fact you got banned for your personal attacks and I wasn't. So nothing wrong with my comment (only you took offence, surprise surprise) and i wasn't banned as did nothing wrong. One was in the wrong....you. Facts established. Moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Does anyone know what has happened to Fred Flange? Seems his last post was on June 21st when he had another of his infamous rants. Funnily enough, on that same day, the Drop a Cog account was changed to the name of "Fred Flange" and it is that account that has been stinking up the forum since. Of course, we know multiple accounts are totally against forum rules. Edited July 17, 2017 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 [getting back on topic] I find it slightly ironic that people are calling for less shale to improve the racing. Surely more shale on the inside line would provide multiple racing lines. But then, without those old fashioned men with rakes, the inside would quickly become slick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 [getting back on topic] I find it slightly ironic that people are calling for less shale to improve the racing. Surely more shale on the inside line would provide multiple racing lines. But then, without those old fashioned men with rakes, the inside would quickly become slick. No because the inside line is shortest way round, if you put more grip there the riders will never move off the inside line and will just lead to fast times and little passing as seen in SWC race off last year. Track is definitely better slicker bizarrely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Racing at the NSS seems to be better when it is slicker. However, it still provides good racing as witnessed in the Peter Craven and other meetings this year. My theory, for what it's worth, is that when we had the recent heatwave they were at pains to heavily water the track to prevent dust, which it did but that involved putting more water on the outside. The track can take it because of the excellent drainage but the result is more grip on the outside because it retains more of the moisture. I also think the change back to the old racing format has had an adverse affect because you get fewer races between riders of similar ability. The bonus is that it should provide genuine averages, if only we knew the formula they are using and the rationale behind it. It baffles me why they think they have to keep these things secret and only adds to the belief that the fans are best ignored. Edited July 17, 2017 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Also the modern bikes tend to handle better on slicker surfaces do they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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