Panthers89 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Your telling me the BSPA didn't speak to the riders before announcing 5 man heats? What absolute morons! Feel for Scunny and Berwick fans/riders and management, they would of been annoyed to miss out but would of been more understanding than announcing that both teams will take place, so fans book hotels and days off work and then a couple days later, change there mind. Pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 but surely if it's the riders forcing them to change their mind the blame should not be with the BSPA? we've had 5 rider races at the Showground before 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Your telling me the BSPA didn't speak to the riders before announcing 5 man heats? What absolute morons! Feel for Scunny and Berwick fans/riders and management, they would of been annoyed to miss out but would of been more understanding than announcing that both teams will take place, so fans book hotels and days off work and then a couple days later, change there mind. Pathetic If it was said at the start of the season that 8 clubs would be involved then I don't think there would be much said. Berwick had a supporters bus at Leicester when we weren't in the competition but it was known when the tour was set up that Berwick might not qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Five rider races works elsewhere in Europe so can someone explain the issue or is this another case of the tail wagging the dog. Another nail in the coffin for British Speedway may be how some view this and it is time that someone with some balls stated to take control of the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 but surely if it's the riders forcing them to change their mind the blame should not be with the BSPA? we've had 5 rider races at the Showground before Yes there was, but before the width was reduced with an air fence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 but surely if it's the riders forcing them to change their mind the blame should not be with the BSPA? we've had 5 rider races at the Showground before I was thinking 5 rider races would be rather good.. And something different Works OK elsewhere.. Why not here? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 but surely if it's the riders forcing them to change their mind the blame should not be with the BSPA? we've had 5 rider races at the Showground before Yep the SWC. Wouldve been sensible of the BSPA to get riders thoughts beforehand though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Just a thought and I appreciate that starting positions are taken into account but the 16 Lapper at Ipswich has eight riders in the final. Therefore with some thought, five rider races involve the two lowest scoring teams starting on a front grid and the remaing three starting on a grid ten yards behind. Surely some constructive solution can be found rather than cave in to the few. If this carries on where will it end and frankly if those protesting find it too dangerous then perhaps they ought to think again about riding a 500 cc machine with no brakes. If those riders are concerned then perhaps speedway is not for them and they should find another career but stop taking the p... out of the paying punter. It is a dangerous sport with high risks, if you cannot handle it then step aside. Turn it into an NL meeting and each NL team can have a rider from the next tier and possibly a number two. It might work but stop pandering to the few. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Five rider races was never going to work, it was very unpopular with the riders in the World Cup, so why did they think it would have changed since then? Five rider race are only possible on huge, wide tracks, none of them in Britain. An easy solution is 5 team, 4 rider, 10 heat semi-finals and final, each team takes a turn to sit out, each rides in 8 races and sits out 2. That way all 10 teams, as advertised, get to compete. The BSPA have made a fool of themselves (shock) by announcing one thing then a few days later changing their minds and excluding teams. But then again..... Hot on the heels of the Pairs being cancelled, when covers weren't used properly. Fair enough to say right from the start only 8 teams will compete, but to change the rules so close to the day? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 I can't see why 5 rider races should be too much of a problem at Peterborough. At the motorcycle show earlier in the season they ran shorttrack racing on the afternoon (with the air-fence in place) and I don't think times over 4 laps were that more slower than the speedway. And there was a lot more than 5 riders in each race. It's not like it's Rye House or Plymouth. They've had shorttrack at Scunthorpe in the past with about 10 riders in each race. Riders just need to use their head more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 I would have thought getting insurance cover for this would have been difficult due to an increase in risk by 25%. It would be interesting to know if it was approved or if not then was it the REAL reason for the change back to 4 riders? #justasking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 16 riders in a race at Berwick for Doolans testimonial on flat track bikes no crashes for 3 12 lap races I think it was 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 It's really hard to believe how farcical the running of the sport is becoming.Its not rocket science to work out a formula for a10 Team event.There were far more Teams in the event years ago,even if it meant riding the number of rides each riders had at least every Team was represented which was the general idea of a National Competion .Unbelievable!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) From reading the press release are the BSPA saying some of the riders of Berwick and Scunthorpe protested and refused to ride, or is it riders of other clubs protesting and so get their way the BSPA needed to boot out Berwick and Scunthorpe being the two bottom clubs. If its the latter I think the BSPA are duty bound to name these weasels. If you want facts, clarity and sensible decisions then you're following the wrong sport. Surely part of the fun of being a modern day British Speedway supporter is only being 24 hours away from the next contrived, illogical and poorly communicated cock up! Edited July 27, 2017 by Crump99 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Hoping they turn back on their decision, really not happy about it, f***ing fuming actually. They should be able to see that there is a way to get all 10 teams in with 4 riders per race, whether it be bottom 4 averaged teams in a quarter final with top 2 going into semis or 2 10 heat semis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Things weren't so bad with the Dark Lord at Edinburgh at the helm! Least we wouldn't have had this cock up!! So pissed off its untrue! You take days off... Pay money and want to go enjoy seeing your team despite the fact you've had a stinking year and they screw up like this! Arseholes!!! I'm suspecting your Miffed and quite possibly peeved. Definitely heading up the angle of anger and understandably so. This change in format in reality only affects one team and that's Berwick.Scunthorpe is 2hrs away tops I would guess. If the loyal travelling bunch of Berwick fans(and Shads) have arranged travel and accomodation with no refunds available then as far as im concerned the BSPA should reimburse them Edited July 26, 2017 by Triple.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) I'm suspecting your Miffed and quite possibly peeved. Definitely heading up the angle of anger and understandably so. This change in format in reality only affects one team and that's Berwick. Scunthorpe is 2hrs away tops I would guess. If the loyal travelling bunch of Berwick fans(and Shads) have arranged travel and accomodation with no refunds available then as far as im concerned the BSPA should reimburse them No expense for me, just mild disappointment. I'll receive a refund from the supporters club for the coach, but I'm not sure if the SC will be refunded for any deposit paid to the coach company. Was looking forward to a nice day out, but the distance puts a block on that now. It's a shame, because the Bandits fans are amongst the most vocal in British speedway. Bar takings are sure to suffer! Edited July 27, 2017 by Shads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 I'm suspecting your Miffed and quite possibly peeved. Definitely heading up the angle of anger and understandably so. This change in format in reality only affects one team and that's Berwick. Scunthorpe is 2hrs away tops I would guess. If the loyal travelling bunch of Berwick fans(and Shads) have arranged travel and accomodation with no refunds available then as far as im concerned the BSPA should reimburse them Travelling bus cancelled now... Thankfully no overnight arrangements needed this year or that would be money lost for sure. At least 40+ Bandit fans now not going though... At £20 a shot that's a lot of money those pricks will be losing out on! And Yes, I'm peeved as I really do enjoy the 4TT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Travelling bus cancelled now... Thankfully no overnight arrangements needed this year or that would be money lost for sure. At least 40+ Bandit fans now not going though... At £20 a shot that's a lot of money those pricks will be losing out on! And Yes, I'm peeved as I really do enjoy the 4TT! It's the only trophy you've won in almost thirty years. Of course you enjoy it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherman Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) The BSPA have had plenty of time to come up with a race formula, if they couldn't work one out I'm sure they could have got someone else to sort it out, surely it's not rocket science!! Just another cock up to go with the many others the BSPA stumble through, it's beyond a joke now. The Berwick and Scunthorpe fans have every right to be peeved and angry, they have been let down badly I wonder what would have happened if Peterborough were in the bottom 2? Edited July 27, 2017 by Pantherman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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