iris123 Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Yes i would agree salty.One of the worst things about the statement was he had basically given up trying to qualify for the play offs even though in his words it was still mathematically possible to do so.Not the sort of thing i would like to hear from a promoter.You only give up when it is no longer possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 The crux of the matter is that Peterborough have developed Jack Holder into a rider that's simply too good for the 2nd tier of British Speedway. Â Anybody who scores paid 16 at Leszno shouldn't be riding in the Championship. Â Thankfully he is and we need to enjoy every single minute we catch of him, he's a future world champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 BSPA should clamp down heavily on both riders and promotions who break the rules.holder should be banned& fined. Promoter should also get a big fine.any further .should promoter continue to break the rules they should be banned indefinitely,and no right of appeal allowed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 And was that money used to gain an unfair advantage in this scenario?..no so you are talking rubbish again..what is it with you Ipswich lot?..whinging Rory certainly joined the right club. Peterborough didnt cheat. Â They broke the rules plain and simple. Â Its is irrelevant wether the rule breaking weakened the side or not, the rules were not adhered to by the Peterborough promotion...fact. Â A precedent has been set now which means that clubs can break the rules as much as they want and nothing will happen. Â For what its worth im an Ipswich fan. Our side bottled it / choked and Peterborough were the best team and deserved winners. Â But please dont be so blinkered to say you didnt break the rules. Â Peterborough should be sanctioned for this and the fact that they have allowed Holder to miss league meetings to. Sends out the wrong message and short changes people. Â Plus as ive said on ability Holder is better than Lambert but you cannot guarantee that he would have scored more than Lambert.......anything can happen in a meeting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Can we end this debate. Peterborough didn't cheat, but they broke the rules of the competition. Of course club and rider should face some sort of punishment to prevent this happening again. They need to be made an example of. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Can we end this debate. Peterborough didn't cheat, but they broke the rules of the competition. Of course club and rider should face some sort of punishment to prevent this happening again. They need to be made an example of. 100% correct  Didnt cheat but broke the rules. Not hard to grasp really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 The bottom line is that Peterborough were influence by an outside agency to select a certain team for a BSPA event (where attendance is mandatory unless released by BSPA). That is not only against rules, but it is unethical and if allowed in the future open to total abuse. Â Was it cheating? depends - if you consider cheating as breaking rules - then Yes, if you deem it to be trying to gain an advantage - then not directly for this event, but you may argue the incentive taken could gain Peterborough an advantage in some form in the future! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 The bottom line is that Peterborough were influence by an outside agency to select a certain team for a BSPA event (where attendance is mandatory unless released by BSPA). That is not only against rules, but it is unethical and if allowed in the future open to total abuse. Â Was it cheating? depends - if you consider cheating as breaking rules - then Yes, if you deem it to be trying to gain an advantage - then not directly for this event, but you may argue the incentive taken could gain Peterborough an advantage in some form in the future! I dont think Peterborough cheated but rule breaking is in some ways a form of cheating. They were clearly not trying to get an advantage.....but at the end of the day Lambert scored 5 in the final. Jack Holder could have scored 0, unlikely but it could have happened, therefore in some ways Peterborough did get an advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 The reported 10k paid to Peterborough for allowing Holder to ride in Poland is certainly an advantage for them - this may be what the BSPA refers to when they say about evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 That's not okay at all, unless he deserved it, but not at an event. Cook should be banned. apparently. Cookie was totally out of order.Jason was just doing his job.Cookie needs to cool that temper of his. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Just seen result. Â Home advantage strikes again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 And was that money used to gain an unfair advantage in this scenario?..no so you are talking rubbish again..what is it with you Ipswich lot?..whinging Rory certainly joined the right club.🙈🙉🙊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) SPEEDY69, on 07 Aug 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:SPEEDY69, on 07 Aug 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:The reported 10k paid to Peterborough for allowing Holder to ride in Poland is certainly an advantage for them - this may be what the BSPA refers to when they say about evidence. the reported reported is not the reported that was reported...basically bullsh1t! Edited August 7, 2017 by Odds On Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) The reported 10k paid to Peterborough for allowing Holder to ride in Poland is certainly an advantage for them - this may be what the BSPA refers to when they say about evidence.Where has this £10k figure come from? Absolute nonsense.  Maybe if other clubs developed riders like Peterborough then they may earn incentives from Torun.  Torun would rather field a donkey than sign any Ipswich rider.  Ipswich need to raise their game. Edited August 7, 2017 by Jeremy Corbyn Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Just seen result. Â Home advantage strikes again. ...after 19 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 If they hadn’t won I could understand the point that Peterborough had cheated the public and their own fans, but the idea they cheated to gain a sporting advantage? No.  There is very little to validate the claim that Simon Lambert might have scored more than Jack Holder – one has an average touching 9.00 the other one touching 3.00 it is quite clear which of the two consistently scores the more points.  Well done to the riders who went on track and represented Peterborough to win the meeting with their patched up side is an excellent effort.  And finally, I don’t know who riders aim their tweets at when they vent their views in relation to the sport and how it is run. I don’t believe it garners sympathy with the paying public, if anything it only creates a further void between the fans and the riders. BSPA. It is actually possible fans are p*ssed of the attitude of the BSPA who run the sport and many riders, who have an attitude that at times is quite loathsome, the best advice for a few of them would be to shut up and get on with it, or chose another profession if it is that much of a problem to them to be drain a wage out the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited)   Peterborough certainly did cheat the paying public.  There speaks a man who wasn't there. Being wise in hindsight admittedly, but I doubt if there is a single one of the 3,000 or so who attended who felt cheated.  I suspect your right but this was £200 for the whole meeting.  The track was slicker than usual but Peterborough were not allowed to rip up the outside because track prep was under the control of the BSPA, having said that the racing in the final was top drawer.  That was the first time since 1998 that Peterborough have won the Fours in this competition, admittedly we have staged it a few times when not having a team entered.  You're right but I am wondering how much Cook (or anyone else) thinks he should have been paid for 2 rides and 1 point. Rory Schlein has more of a case.  Personally, I really couldn't care less what the track was like with racing of that quality. It was amazing.  Blows a bit of a hole in the home advantage argument, that.  It occurs to me that Peterborough could have named Holder in their team and left Lambert at reserve, Lambert then just taking Holder's rides. The result would have been exactly the same. Edited August 7, 2017 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Actually, he probably can. Saturday nights are notorious these days to get replacements in the Premiership - they were when it was the Elite League. Â What Rathbone has done is completely sell out. I hope he enjoys the money Torun have given him, that's even if he receives any at all. Â If you think this is all over, you're wrong. It's given the Poles carte blanche to do what they like. And they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) More worrying that Rathbone has been called supremo twice over the weekend, it's a slippery slope!  The gloves are off anyway before it's all forgotten with some wishy washy press release.  Peterborough Panthers’ silverware success yesterday (August 6) was achieved against a backdrop of acrimony as the Panthers supremo came under fire from the sport’s own governing body for giving his star talent – Jack Holder – permission to miss the meeting to race in Poland.  British Speedway Promoters’ Association (BSPA) chairman Buster Chapman issued a strongly-worded rant on the subject Read more here Edited August 7, 2017 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 What happened with Cook then? Did someone give him a whack or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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