New era Panthers Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Lets wait and see. It may be the Peterborough's win at all costs attitude that's behind it. Plus who made the BSPA change their decision from Monday when they said to Redcar Charles was clear to ride today at Peterborough to Wednesday when they said a Peterborough medic had to check him today. As Redcar Team manager JItendra Duffill says in the local Teesside paper yesterday what can the medic check apart from looking into his eyes. Jitendra is a qualified optician maybe he will be allowed an opinion today. His own doctor would be better qualified to check him over as he will know his medical records. The only way to be sure is to do a head scan (or wait 9 days to see if there have been any after affects. Which Charles is reporting there are not any) as i said earlier IT STINKS. As I have already said it's up to the on duty paramedic to decide if he is fit or not and has nothing to do with any speedway management from either team or is it you do not trust the integrity of a QUALIFIED paramedic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 What a perfect name for you Sly Fox. Ged will swap the team to try to win a trophy, but he isn't a cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkendlass Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Probably gave it to Kevin Keay yesterday at the Youth Championships at Redcar yesterday (but hang on he is well known to change his mind) so he may ask for 2 medicals on Jason Garity as well as Charles Wright then tell us we have to use N L guests. Nothing surprises me now with BSPA attitude to Redcar. If Vatcher has an input he will probably book medical school for Jason and Charles at 4.30 pm at a hospital in Manchester, then penalise Redcar 3 points for failure to declare their team. impossible ??? Nope, we are talking Vatcher here. The guy is killing the sport single handed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 paramedic with a head scanner in his kit , whatever next ? cats running scared today it seems . win at all cost for ged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Probably common practice just to check after such injury despite the lay off. Can check alertness, reactions, balance etc, you don't need medical records for that because we know what happened. Mountains and molehills spring to mind. Been in Speedway for over 40 years and never ever heard that a rider has to have a medical just before a meeting at the track to prove his fitness after a 9 day concussion lay off. Why could he not have gone to his doctor for a fitness note. No he has the expense of traveling over 100 miles from Manchester at his own cost be told he maybe he cannot ride. Not common practice, just another one of those rules made up for Redcar again this year. Mr Vatcher needs to get real and stop letting some teams who seem to have more influence than others talk him in to idiotic decisions that bear no resemblance to the rule book. Edited July 16, 2017 by Sly Fox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Its not just Wright and Redcar - every concussion has a mandatory MINIMUM lay off dependant on the riders age. To resume after this the rider has to be assessed and confirmed fit before being allowed to do so. Perhaps as it is a Sunday the most logical and straightforward solution to this is to utilise the paramedic team at the track. Im partial to the odd conspiracy theory but this one is just that - ODD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Its not just Wright and Redcar - every concussion has a mandatory MINIMUM lay off dependant on the riders age. To resume after this the rider has to be assessed and confirmed fit before being allowed to do so. Perhaps as it is a Sunday the most logical and straightforward solution to this is to utilise the paramedic team at the track. Im partial to the odd conspiracy theory but this one is just that - ODD Nothing to do with it being Sunday, Redcar were informed on Wednesday of the reversal of the Monday decision that he was clear to ride & that Charles had to wait till Sunday to be checked by the opposition team medic. They were not allowed to get his own doctor or independent medical clearance. Charles has served the minimum lay off for his age. As I said earlier in all my years in the sport never heard that a rider has no option but to travel to a meeting being told that is the only way he can be proved fit is by a medic employed by the opposition. Edited July 16, 2017 by Sly Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Nothing to do with it being Sunday, Redcar were informed on Wednesday of the reversal of the Monday decision that he was clear to ride & that Charles had to wait till Sunday to be checked by the opposition team medic. They were not allowed to get his own doctor or independent medical clearance. Charles has served the minimum lay off for his age. As I said earlier in all my years in the sport never heard that a rider has no option but to travel to a meeting being told that is the only way he can be proved fit is by a medic employed by the opposition. Lets hope the medic is not Dr Vatcher then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 The process is in compliance with the rule-book 8.1.3 Riders, having served the mandatory suspension or other instructions so given regarding other injuries must provide written evidence from their own GP, Surgeon, Specialist or the Meeting Medical Officer, that they are fit to ride prior to resuming racing. But surely one of the first three options would be clearly preferable to the fourth? 5.00pm - Wright is on parade 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 The process is in compliance with the rule-book 8.1.3 Riders, having served the mandatory suspension or other instructions so given regarding other injuries must provide written evidence from their own GP, Surgeon, Specialist or the Meeting Medical Officer, that they are fit to ride prior to resuming racing. But surely one of the first three options would be clearly preferable to the fourth? 5.00pm - Wright is on parade So common sense has prevailed. If that is the rule why was Wright told he had to prove he was fit to the Peterborough medic and not given the option to get clearance from his own doctor. As I said earlier BSPA seem to be making rules up just for Redcar this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 So common sense has prevailed. If that is the rule why was Wright told he had to prove he was fit to the Peterborough medic and not given the option to get clearance from his own doctor. As I said earlier BSPA seem to be making rules up just for Redcar this season. The quote I included came directly from the rule book, which is available to all riders and officials. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 The quote I included came directly from the rule book, which is available to all riders and officials. So was the rule on the Glasgow meeting that went against The Bears but Mr Vatcher chose to overturn his own decision and ignore the rule book and past precedent. So when they told The Bears management that Charles had to be checked by the meeting medic the rule book did not seem to apply again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Been in Speedway for over 40 years and never ever heard that a rider has to have a medical just before a meeting at the track to prove his fitness after a 9 day concussion lay off. Why could he not have gone to his doctor for a fitness note. No he has the expense of traveling over 100 miles from Manchester at his own cost be told he maybe he cannot ride. Not common practice, just another one of those rules made up for Redcar again this year. Mr Vatcher needs to get real and stop letting some teams who seem to have more influence than others talk him in to idiotic decisions that bear no resemblance to the rule book. Obsession eating away at you I see all these posts are based on fact I presume. So was the rule on the Glasgow meeting that went against The Bears but Mr Vatcher chose to overturn his own decision and ignore the rule book and past precedent. So when they told The Bears management that Charles had to be checked by the meeting medic the rule book did not seem to apply again. As I say obsessed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Comfortable win for Boro Lambert back and being able to track the full 1-7 gives the side a good balance and arguably the strongest team on paper in the league. As a Witches fan that was probably the most favourable result for us today with Redcar getting nothing 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Well done Peterborough still battling away. Hope fat boy Barker feels as sick as a pig. I`m sure picking up wages for a paid sixteen will cushion any blow from this defeat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 If I've learnt 1 thing this weekend is that Gater1 is a c*** 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 So was the rule on the Glasgow meeting that went against The Bears but Mr Vatcher chose to overturn his own decision and ignore the rule book and past precedent. So when they told The Bears management that Charles had to be checked by the meeting medic the rule book did not seem to apply again. That decision was also totally in accordance with the rule-book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Yeah but Redcar are still 5th behind Sheffield. Interesting though isn't it? Redcar have an equal "points scored on the road minus points lost at home" rating as....... Edinburgh! And they have scored more points on the road than anyone except Glasgow. Although Glasgow have done this from less meetings. The stats suggest there is a lot left in this league race to the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 If I've learnt 1 thing this weekend is that Gater1 is a wind up merchant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Bear Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Not a bad performance to get within 9 , bear in mind 2 riders coming back from injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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