orion Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) It is my opinion that this is an apples and Oranges situation. World Games at Wroclaw is a one off. Tai should be there, Cookie Lambert Worrall should be riding with or at the very least in the pits with him. There would be huge benefit to all and possible success as well. As it stands we'll just get a tonking but "learn from the experience" even tho we haven't learnt anything from about the last 10 foreign tournaments... That's makes no sense again..surely him being in the world cup where he would spend more time with these people would be a bigger benefit . Some seem to have skipped over what it is that Tai actually wanted to do with Team GB and what that would involve. He would finance it all He would have sponsorship for the team He would have a team of crew to work on all aspects for the riders He would be captain but has said he has a person that would be manager ! He would arrange training and fitness days He would have a race track available just for them to train, practice, set ups etc He would set up test matches for all levels Some might say the usual Rubbish about him, but to want to take all this on and run it as a successful business and develop the riders to be the best they can be shows he wants to ride for Team GB and has a passion to do so but under the current set up and the way it's run isn't something that he wants or needs to be a part of. the trouble is that is not true as he wants to ride in the world games . As has been said over and over his stance and morals go out the window when it suits him . Edited July 22, 2017 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Woffy also said he would 'guarantee' a World Championship win within 4-5 years (I think he said 4-5, it might've been 45?!). I presume that would be with the same group of riders that we have currently?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 People were saying that woffy was out in McDonald's like night munching on a big Mac .it that this good food he's go's on about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 People were saying that woffy was out in McDonald's like night munching on a big Mac .it that this good food he's go's on aboutWoffy is just a wind-up merchant,having a laugh at all this discussion about HIM,he couldn't care a toss about GB speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 It reminds me of one of the election manifestos, it sounded great but it didn't win enough votes for it to be implemented. You can promise the World when your not in power Like that manifesto there's always the suspicion its not fully costed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 People were saying that woffy was out in McDonald's like night munching on a big Mac .it that this good food he's go's on about Absolutely shocking if true , I always thought he was Burger King type of a guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Absolutely shocking if true , I always thought he was Burger King type of a guy Liked the price of the Happy Meal at McDonalds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Absolutely shocking if true , I always thought he was Burger King type of a guy Amazed he never drove somewhere else for some nice food lol . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Whilst we have all eaten some fast food without thinking about the issues... especially Mcdonalds, by and large, I agree about the Professionalism that Speedway riders need to adhere to if they want to succeed. And I think he does make some good points. However...What gets my Goat, is the hypocrisy when waving about, drinking and promoting the likes of Redbull and Monster energy drinks. It happens in other sports too. Yes, they provide the money...but imo, it's no different to Woffie holding and smoking a cigarette and promoting a tobacco brand like they did in the 60's and 70's. Actions speak louder than words...especially if they are lining your pockets with ££££££. Catch 22 some may say... http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/10October/Pages/Warnings-issued-over-energy-drink-risks.aspx http://healthycures.org/hamburger-chef-jamie-oliver-proves-mcdonalds-burgers-unfit-for-human-consumption 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Whilst we have all eaten some fast food without thinking about the issues... especially Mcdonalds, by and large, I agree about the Professionalism that Speedway riders need to adhere to if they want to succeed. And I think he does make some good points. However...What gets my Goat, is the hypocrisy when waving about, drinking and promoting the likes of Redbull and Monster energy drinks. It happens in other sports too. Yes, they provide the money...but imo, it's no different to Woffie holding and smoking a cigarette and promoting a tobacco brand like they did in the 60's and 70's. Actions speak louder than words...especially if they are lining your pockets with ££££££. Catch 22 some may say... http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/10October/Pages/Warnings-issued-over-energy-drink-risks.aspx http://healthycures.org/hamburger-chef-jamie-oliver-proves-mcdonalds-burgers-unfit-for-human-consumption Ask him about the Snus he keeps sticking behind his lip between races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Ask him about the Snus he keeps sticking behind his lip between races. Do you mean snuff? Seen that a lot with riders, especially Scandies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Do you mean snuff? Seen that a lot with riders, especially Scandies. No! It is tobacco in sachets that are placed between the upper lip and gum, it is actually illegal here but not in Sweden where there seems to be a higher level of mouth cancer. You can get it online and some Swedes distribute it here, it's very popular with riders and I've seen Tai use it and Darcy used to be a user. So while you made a sort of point about him smoking (as with riders of old), he actually is in effect. Snuff is powdered tobacco that is sniffed into the nostrils. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Do you mean snuff? Seen that a lot with riders, especially Scandies. Snus is tobacco based and is put behind the lip. It must just leech out as it gets wetter and wetter giving a nicotine hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 No! It is tobacco in sachets that are placed between the upper lip and gum, it is actually illegal here but not in Sweden where there seems to be a higher level of mouth cancer. You can get it online and some Swedes distribute it here, it's very popular with riders and I've seen Tai use it and Darcy used to be a user. So while you made a sort of point about him smoking (as with riders of old), he actually is in effect. Snuff is powdered tobacco that is sniffed into the nostrils. Ah right...chewing tobacco...I knew what it was, but got it mixed up with Snuff because of the word Snus. Just to point out...I didn't mean to imply he smoked. Just to say that imo, promoting Monster and Redbull is no different to Tobacco companies. Like I've said...I've seen Chewing tobacco used by riders, especially Scandies, and by Ski Racers. It stimulates you by releasing Glucose from the liver and adrenalin from gland....but also has the effect of relaxing you as well. With a side effect of increasing your metabolism, which will keep your weight down. Can see why a rider would use it...as do the Ski Racers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Ah right...chewing tobacco...I knew what it was, but got it mixed up with Snuff because of the word Snus. Just to point out...I didn't mean to imply he smoked. Just to say that imo, promoting Monster and Redbull is no different to Tobacco companies. Like I've said...I've seen Chewing tobacco used by riders, especially Scandies, and by Ski Racers. It stimulates you by releasing Glucose from the liver and adrenalin from gland....but also has the effect of relaxing you as well. With a side effect of increasing your metabolism, which will keep your weight down. Can see why a rider would use it...as do the Ski Racers. It isn't chewing tobacco but they're all tobacco products, it actually looks like little teabags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 That's makes no sense again..surely him being in the world cup where he would spend more time with these people would be a bigger benefit . the trouble is that is not true as he wants to ride in the world games . As has been said over and over his stance and morals go out the window when it suits him . Makes no sense because you dont want it to. As I said two different scenarios. World Games was at Tai's home track. No point in me explaining it all again for the fourth time tho. I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Makes no sense because you dont want it to. As I said two different scenarios. World Games was at Tai's home track. No point in me explaining it all again for the fourth time tho. I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. That was not the point you were making this time ..i ask you how can the world games be more benefit to the gb riders than with woffy than the world cup with him as you are saying ..it makes no sense . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) TWO different scenarios. He was never riding in the World Cup this year. we knew that 12 months ago. The World Games was at his home track. He offered to ride and the BSPA inquired about his availability. They should have picked him as it would have benefitted other GB boys watching Tai at close quarters. He could have helped them all and was willing to do so. After the performance in the SWC Final I'd argue it'd be an even smarter mover to include Tai in this World Games squad as the boys clearly need some advice/help. I never said (or if I did apologies never meant) to say one was more beneficial than the other.He was NEVER riding in the SWC this year. The World Games was a VERY SEPARATE issue. Tai wanted to ride, Wroclaw wanted him to ride, BSPA almost wanted him to ride. It's madness in my oinion he isnt. Edited July 24, 2017 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 TWO different scenarios. He was never riding in the World Cup this year. we knew that 12 months ago. The World Games was at his home track. He offered to ride and the BSPA inquired about his availability. They should have picked him as it would have benefitted other GB boys watching Tai at close quarters. He could have helped them all and was willing to do so. After the performance in the SWC Final I'd argue it'd be an even smarter mover to include Tai in this World Games squad as the boys clearly need some advice/help. I never said (or if I did apologies never meant) to say one was more beneficial than the other.He was NEVER riding in the SWC this year. The World Games was a VERY SEPARATE issue. Tai wanted to ride, Wroclaw wanted him to ride, BSPA almost wanted him to ride. It's madness in my oinion he isnt. Tai has made it clear that he wants nothing to do with the Bspa so how could have wanted to ride unless he not being trueful of course ..as I said before you can't have it both ways..either you stick to your values or your don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 Tai shouldn't be picked for the World Games if he can't be bothered to do the SWC. He's made his bed so now has to lie in it. You can't pick & choose when you want to get involved. He would have only wanted to do it as it benefits him. Home track, he has lots of Polish sponsors & would have only had to put up with Rosco for a couple of hours. May as well send Bewley & Lambert. Surely Cook will pull out to save face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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