New Science Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think I answered those both before. Its not black and white. Inconsistent as it is, its not that hard to see why he did 2016 world cup on home soil and why he assumed he'd be picked for GB team on his home track. Think you've explained it pretty well, for a one off meeting, high profile event,in the right location Woffinden is prepared to forget all his issues with the BSPA, Alun Rossiter etc , but for other events,maybe more than 1 meeting, away from home for a bit, he is prepared to call on differences with the BSPA,Rossiter,British speedway that date back as far as 2015 as to why he can't participate Glad we got that sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Im not sure if youre being sarcastic or not but if Ive not explained it well apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Think you've explained it pretty well, for a one off meeting, high profile event,in the right location Woffinden is prepared to forget all his issues with the BSPA, Alun Rossiter etc , but for other events,maybe more than 1 meeting, away from home for a bit, he is prepared to call on differences with the BSPA,Rossiter,British speedway that date back as far as 2015 as to why he can't participate Glad we got that sorted. Not getting it are you. The World Games was on Woffys home track in Wroclaw, whose promoters wanted him to ride in the meeting help to boost the attendance. As you have been told by higher sources, Rosco was hardly involved.........have you really understood why he asked to ride yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I thought at the time of the World Games announcements that Tai was asked if he was available to ride in the meeting by bspa. He said yes and then they didn't pick him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I thought at the time of the World Games announcements that Tai was asked if he was available to ride in the meeting by bspa. He said yes and then they didn't pick him. That is news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I thought at the time of the World Games announcements that Tai was asked if he was available to ride in the meeting by bspa. He said yes and then they didn't pick him. That is what Tai said at the time. He also said he wanted to pick his team mate which is probably one of the reasons why he wasn't picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 That is what Tai said at the time. He also said he wanted to pick his team mate which is probably one of the reasons why he wasn't picked. No he didn't say that, he said he would like 'input' into the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Darcy Ward is probably the exception to the rule regarding diet and fitness I obviously haven't a clue about how healthily he ate or if he ever went to the gym. I'd hazard a guess they weren't top of his priorities but I do believe he could've been the Senior World Champion and very likely a multiple one. I can say for a fact in the 40 odd years I've been watching the sport he was the most naturally gifted I've seen. There are always exceptions to any rule. Darcy in speedway, George Best and Gazza in football. But let's please not pretend they make it OK to ignore the most important things such as healthy eating, fitness and the correct head and mind. It's all important. If one aspect is missing, whichever one, the chances of succeeding (and staying at the top for anu length of time) are drastically reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 No he didn't say that, he said he would like 'input' into the choice. Isn't that the same thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 No he didn't say that, he said he would like 'input' into the choice. And what if they decided that whilst his input was valuable they didnt agree that the rider Tai advised was the best for the competetion... id be willing to bet the toys would of come out again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Isn't that the same thing? Of course it isn't. Not anywhere close. And what if they decided that whilst his input was valuable they didnt agree that the rider Tai advised was the best for the competetion... id be willing to bet the toys would of come out again Your argument is desperate when you have to continually make things up. Simple fact is, Woffinden asked he could give input. Perfectly reasonable suggestion from a rider of his stature. The BSPA decided they didn't want him in the pairing, that's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 If any rider was to have an input on selection it should be the captain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Of course it isn't. Not anywhere close. Your argument is desperate when you have to continually make things up. Simple fact is, Woffinden asked he could give input. Perfectly reasonable suggestion from a rider of his stature. The BSPA decided they didn't want him in the pairing, that's that. In that case why did he show a photograph of himself and Lambert on Twitter and claim that would have been his choice? That looks a bit more than input and more like a demand. Anyway he isn't in and hopefully those who are gain some useful experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 He said this would be my choice. Hardly a demand. And the Experience they will get will be finishing way behind first place yet again. How can you not want Woffinden to be there with his experience and input. Insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 He said this would be my choice. Hardly a demand. And the Experience they will get will be finishing way behind first place yet again. How can you not want Woffinden to be there with his experience and input. Insanity. I DO want him there, I also wanted him in the SWC but if he declined that, he shouldn't be able to pick and choose. The word 'demand' was in context with several earlier posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It is my opinion that this is an apples and Oranges situation. World Games at Wroclaw is a one off. Tai should be there, Cookie Lambert Worrall should be riding with or at the very least in the pits with him. There would be huge benefit to all and possible success as well. As it stands we'll just get a tonking but "learn from the experience" even tho we haven't learnt anything from about the last 10 foreign tournaments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Some seem to have skipped over what it is that Tai actually wanted to do with Team GB and what that would involve. He would finance it all He would have sponsorship for the team He would have a team of crew to work on all aspects for the riders He would be captain but has said he has a person that would be manager ! He would arrange training and fitness days He would have a race track available just for them to train, practice, set ups etc He would set up test matches for all levels Some might say the usual Rubbish about him, but to want to take all this on and run it as a successful business and develop the riders to be the best they can be shows he wants to ride for Team GB and has a passion to do so but under the current set up and the way it's run isn't something that he wants or needs to be a part of. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Some seem to have skipped over what it is that Tai actually wanted to do with Team GB and what that would involve. He would finance it all He would have sponsorship for the team He would have a team of crew to work on all aspects for the riders He would be captain but has said he has a person that would be manager ! He would arrange training and fitness days He would have a race track available just for them to train, practice, set ups etc He would set up test matches for all levels Some might say the usual Rubbish about him, but to want to take all this on and run it as a successful business and develop the riders to be the best they can be shows he wants to ride for Team GB and has a passion to do so but under the current set up and the way it's run isn't something that he wants or needs to be a part of. All this is a very good idea but it should be done when he's no longer riding. I feel a bit uneasy about a rider having that much clout in a national set up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 INCOGNITO said of Woffy " Some might say the usual Rubbish about him, but to want to take all this on and run it as a successful business and develop the riders to be the best they can be shows he wants to ride for Team GB and has a passion to do so but under the current set up and the way it's run isn't something that he wants or needs to be a part of" Woofinden's efforts amount to much more than the BSPA seem to have in mind for the future of Team GB. It hardly matters that he is still riding and wants a chance to fully develop the team The sport should his arm off and give him all the support it can muster. I can't see the Rosco & BSPA joint effort achieving any more than they have - certainly not abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Of course it isn't. Not anywhere close. Your argument is desperate when you have to continually make things up. Simple fact is, Woffinden asked he could give input. Perfectly reasonable suggestion from a rider of his stature. The BSPA decided they didn't want him in the pairing, that's that. What did i make up? All i said was what if they said ok you can have input.. Tai said ok i think Lambert is the best bet... team manager says sorry Tai but i think Cook is our best bet.. what then? IMO he would of refused to ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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