SCB Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 trouble is, whoever wrote it forgot they got silver last year And the second we got at Poole in about 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 And the second we got at Poole in about 2004. In 0-4 not about 0-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 One thing the World Cup did show is all this healthy crap does nothing , get the right engines and a shrink and you may get an improvement , speedway is all about what's in the head of the engine and the head of the rider , not what's in the crank cases or the belllly Pretty sure the top riders disagree with you.. maybe thats why they are the best 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Pretty sure the top riders disagree with you.. maybe thats why they are the best I agree, fitness, eating properly/regularly and etc is one part of the greater wholeness together with riding skill, bike setup skill, mental strength, good bikes and a good personal team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Really? So none of the Poles train is what you are trying to claim? Being physically fit, having the right diet can help with the mental side tremendously. you would be surprised what some of the poles are like away from the track , yes they do train and they are all fit but they understand the mental side is more important , speedway is a head game not a fitness one, I have mentioned this before , you have the right bikes and the right head and desire you will win , you have the right bikes, the fitness the team, everything but you haven't got the head you will win nothing , this has been proven time and time again , kasprazak is the obvious example , he has everything bikes, team , fitness , money , sponsors and is a world class rider but he has days when his head isn't there and he struggles to beat his own shadow and it doesn't matter how many times he goes to the gym or whatever food he eats , it's the mind that wins races, riders might talk the fitness healthy lifestyle but they eat crap like the rest of us and they spend more time on a plane than they do in a gym and most of the training they do is riding motox Edited July 14, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 you would be surprised what some of the poles are like away from the track , yes they do train and they are all fit but they understand the mental side is more important , speedway is a head game not a fitness one, I have mentioned this before , you have the right bikes and the right head and desire you will win , you have the right bikes, the fitness the team, everything but you haven't got the head you will win nothing , this has been proven time and time again , kasprazak is the obvious example , he has everything bikes, team , fitness , money , sponsors and is a world class rider but he has days when his head isn't there and he struggles to beat his own shadow and it doesn't matter how many times he goes to the gym or whatever food he eats , it's the mind that wins races, riders might talk the fitness healthy lifestyle but they eat crap like the rest of us and they spend more time on a plane than they do in a gym and most of the training they do is riding motox That's not what you said though, you claimed the World Cup shows that fitness means nothing. Of course it's not the be all and end all, however it is part of the package and as I mentioned before it can help improve your mental focus which is the crux of what you are saying above and I agree with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) That's not what you said though, you claimed the World Cup shows that fitness means nothing. Of course it's not the be all and end all, however it is part of the package and as I mentioned before it can help improve your mental focus which is the crux of what you are saying above and I agree with. my point was riders just need to be race fit not althletic fit , it doesn't take a great deal of fitness to race speedway , there are riders about who live in the gym and are extremely fit but are nowhere near the top of the sport because they don't have the mental focus needed ,we could be spending our money more wisely, the only difference noticed in team GB at the World Cup is a random bloke kept appearing in the team photos , I also think woofy is a good case in point at the moment , super fit , best equipment ,best team but struggling to make the semi finals in the GP s , why? Edited July 14, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 trouble is, whoever wrote it forgot they got silver last year I'm guessing they meant that 1995 was the last time we won a medal outside of merry old England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 my point was riders just need to be race fit not althletic fit , it doesn't take a great deal of fitness to race speedway , there are riders about who live in the gym and are extremely fit but are nowhere near the top of the sport because they don't have the mental focus needed ,we could be spending our money more wisely, the only difference noticed in team GB at the World Cup is a random bloke kept appearing in the team photos , I also think woofy is a good case in point at the moment , super fit , best equipment ,best team but struggling to make the semi finals in the GP s , why? Why? Because other riders have seen what he is doing, learned from it and are doing it themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Woffinden has burnt his bridges imo, I don't think he has respect from the riders and certainly not the fans. He may be a winner but there is more to it than that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) Why? Because other riders have seen what he is doing, learned from it and are doing it themselves. no it's because he is not 100% commited ,you can tell by his first corners , I think life (his baby etc( is diverting his focus , there are people in the sport who are good at getting into riders heads and you may not see them but they are there , there is a huge difference between being Mentally fit and totally commited. It's not difficult to race a speedway bike once you know how to but to race into a first corner with 3 other lunatics inches from you and keep the throttle open is something you can not learn in a gym ,especially when it has bitten you before and you have ploughed through the fence and every rider has done that, if a rider believes being a super fit althlete gives him an advantage then great , what works for one doesn't work for all I remember reading chris holder saying In the year he was world champ he had never been to a gym in his life it's just not for him Edited July 14, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Woffinden has burnt his bridges imo, I don't think he has respect from the riders and certainly not the fans. He may be a winner but there is more to it than that. Trees, in your opinion maybe. Others see it differently. If it comes down to a choice of our star rider vs the team manager, then the manager has to go. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Sorting out Woffy v Rosco is trivial as opposed to sorting out British Speedway in General.Concentrate on that and we won't need any of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Trees, in your opinion maybe. Others see it differently. If it comes down to a choice of our star rider vs the team manager, then the manager has to go. All the best Rob This is true, is the same in most sports. Sorting out Woffy v Rosco is trivial as opposed to sorting out British Speedway in General.Concentrate on that and we won't need any of them. Yup this is the biggest issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Templeton Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Rosco is right to select those who wish to represent Team GB, and no one else If Woffinden does not wish to be part of the SWC, for whatever reason, so be it. I'm amazed that he then expects to get the nod for the World Games. The choice Alun has made is the only one that any reasonable person would make. You cannot have any rider calling the shots. Any other decision would be a betrayal of those who wished to represent Team GB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietbowers Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Trees, in your opinion maybe. Others see it differently. If it comes down to a choice of our star rider vs the team manager, then the manager has to go. All the best Rob I like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 In a straight choice between Woffy or Rosco then I'm afraid it's Woffy. And I say that as someone who if I ever found myself with enough money (and having lost my marbles long enough) to buy a speedway club Rosco would be one of the first I'd ring to be my team manager/promoter. But in the SWC Final we score 15. Woffy would score that on his own, on the right day he could score 18-21. Rosco isn't going to score that is he? Even if he's super motivational. Woffy will also know how to get the best out of at least some of the other riders, he's done it for himself. He took himself from 7 point EL man to World Champion in a winter, why can't he do similar to King, Cook, Worrall etc? OK not World Champions but certainly get a lot more out of them. Theres a lot I don't like about Woffy but you CANNOT ignore what he says about how to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I've written elsewhere about Arnold Haley. Stay with me. It's relevant. I met him a few years ago and he told me about his days as an England International. He went to Oz with the Lions and was living it up. After a couple of meetings he got fed up and decided to come home. When the Aussie promoters heard, they opened their cheque books and persuaded him to stay. He had hire cars, the best of accommodation, top dollar. He didn't hold them to ransom. He got paid what it was worth the promoters were willing to pay. Do we want to be the best? Well employ the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I've written elsewhere about Arnold Haley. Stay with me. It's relevant. I met him a few years ago and he told me about his days as an England International. He went to Oz with the Lions and was living it up. After a couple of meetings he got fed up and decided to come home. When the Aussie promoters heard, they opened their cheque books and persuaded him to stay. He had hire cars, the best of accommodation, top dollar. He didn't hold them to ransom. He got paid what it was worth the promoters were willing to pay. Do we want to be the best? Well employ the best. That isn't sport though, it's just entertainment and some showmen trying to protect their investment. In that respect it isn't 'relevant' (to me anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 That isn't sport though, it's just entertainment and some showmen trying to protect their investment. In that respect it isn't 'relevant' (to me anyway). So building a new stadium (Coventry or Bristol) isn't an investment? I look forward to watching your "sport" on a field somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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