THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Why would there be opposition from within the sport? Surely this would be seen as a good thing and get the Club out of a track sharing situation? Good luck with it all yes it would for all Cradley fans but do not underestimate the power of some people within the sport who may have a more selfish agenda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 yes it would for all Cradley fans but do not underestimate the power of some people within the sport who may have a more selfish agenda Can you expand on that satatement The Dean Machine? I will totally understand if you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just a question, how can the trust submit a planning application when they are not the owners or promoters of the club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just a question, how can the trust submit a planning application when they are not the owners or promoters of the club ? Nothing to stop them building a stadium for the Sandwell Heathens I can't see that the current promotion own the name Heathens. After all, we have three teams with Tigers in their name.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just a question, how can the trust submit a planning application when they are not the owners or promoters of the club ? Anyone can submit a planning application for any piece of land. For example I could submit an application to knock down your house and build a waste incinerator on the site. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Nothing to stop them building a stadium for the Sandwell Heathens I can't see that the current promotion own the name Heathens. After all, we have three teams with Tigers in their name.... The current promotion do however own the licence and that would need to be purchased before any meetings could take place at any new track in the vacinity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Nothing to stop them building a stadium for the Sandwell Heathens I can't see that the current promotion own the name Heathens. After all, we have three teams with Tigers in their name.... I remember when Nigel Wagstaff acquired the rights of Oxford Speedway he wasn't able to use the moniker "Cheetahs" by the outgoing promotion...which I thought very odd at the time! We ended up with that awful "Silver Machine" nickname! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Good news and fingers crossed that this goes through and another new track comes to the tapes. On the question of racing and any opposition from the current owners of the licence to promote, what is to stop the the owners of the track holding open meetings or renting it out to another team? I am sure that if approval is granted, a way will be found if enough people work together, something which does not seem to happen too often these days in the current Speedway set-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) What is the problem in regard to a possible use of the word Heathens? Is there a copyright on it? And elsewhere, Steve Roberts mentions there was a problem once at Oxford in regard to the use of the word Cheethahs. Surely, nothing can stop an application for a potential speedway licence to be made just under an area name, then start the use of the nickname Heathens? As has been pointed out elsewhere there are several speedways using the nickname Tigers so there should be no objections to the use of the Heathens nickname. Edited July 13, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Can you expand on that satatement The Dean Machine? I will totally understand if you can't. its amazing how seemingly open doors can slam shut when a word from the right person in the right ear takes place , everyone wants Cradley back but not everyone has the same agender and a clash will be and already is in exsistance , as I've said before the trust needs to use its fan power to stand a chance , although I do believe the trust also needs to look at its own personality and who is fronting it but that's just my personal opinion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 What is the problem in regard to a possible use of the word Heathens? Is there a copyright on it? And elsewhere, Steve Roberts mentions there was a problem once at Oxford in regard to the use of the word Cheethahs. Surely, nothing can stop an application for a potential speedway licence to be made just under an area name, then start the use of the nickname Heathens? As has been pointed out elsewhere there are several speedways using the nickname Tigers so there should be no objections to the use of the Heathens nickname. Nigel Pearson and Chris Van Straaten own a company called Heathens Speedway Club Limited. I think they would have a good case against Heathens Speedway Supporters Trust for passing off, as I am sure the trust rely on people's goodwill towards the speedway club to raise money. How many people know that the Heathens Speedway Supporters Trust have no association with Heathens Speedway Club Limited which run the actual team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) What is the problem in regard to a possible use of the word Heathens? Is there a copyright on it? And elsewhere, Steve Roberts mentions there was a problem once at Oxford in regard to the use of the word Cheethahs. Surely, nothing can stop an application for a potential speedway licence to be made just under an area name, then start the use of the nickname Heathens? As has been pointed out elsewhere there are several speedways using the nickname Tigers so there should be no objections to the use of the Heathens nickname. Nigel Pearson and Chris Van Straaten own a company called Heathens Speedway Club Limited. I think they would have a good case against Heathens Speedway Supporters Trust for passing off, as I am sure the trust rely on people's goodwill towards the speedway club to raise money. How many people know that the Heathens Speedway Supporters Trust have no association with Heathens Speedway Club Limited which run the actual team? Thank you for the update picture MattK. Your comment puts an interesting and important scenario on the speedway revival proposals. However, I don't think there is any way in which potential supporters could nickname any new team as Heathens? It just means to me that a potential new promoting group would not be able to use the word as part of their registration? Edited July 13, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Wasnt it once Cradley United? (Not sure if Im dreaming that up or not!!) If so they could use that which would be an historic reference whilst having a modern ironic twist ☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted July 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Wasnt it once Cradley United? (Not sure if Im dreaming that up or not!!) If so they could use that which would be an historic reference whilst having a modern ironic twist ☺ No never again!!!..Cradley United was a stupid name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) So when Sheffield changed their name from Tars to Tigers was there a risk of Glasgow protesting over 'passing off'? I'd suggest that the trust could be called ABCZZ Ltd t/a Sandwell Heathens. We have constant changes of promoting companies behind tracks but they are able to maintain the name, a couple of recent very clear cases being Leicester and Belle Vue. Ultimately it's down to the BSPA and SCB to determine the acceptability of team names. The question of licence is rather more murky. In theory couldn't Wolverhampton invoke the distance ruling and object? Obviously the logical solution is for the the two parties to work together. It would be tragic for ego to keep speedway out of the Black Country, and rather out of keeping with the area, eh? Edited July 13, 2017 by Rob McCaffery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Despite what people may think or read on Private social media accounts, Its always been the HSST stance that they wish to work with the present management, indeed I can only see one meaning to the last paragraph, please read the re-produced Heathens Promotions statement; THE Heathens management would like to take the opportunity to offer the Heathens Speedway Supporters Trust their unreserved congratulations on their announcement that they have submitted an application to Sandwell MBC which could, ultimately, see the development of a site into a future home for the club. The Trust have been able to achieve something which we have been unable to in the past 8 years, but that's not to say there has been any lack of time, effort or expense spared in that time or by others before us.When you feel like you're constantly running into brick walls and treated as the political hot potato, as we have been with both Labour and Conservative led administrations at Dudley MBC, your motivation is severely challenged.We would urge all supporters of the Club to fully embrace this scheme which could finally achieve the ambition of every Heathens fan and ultimately see the return of their team to a home of their own nearly 22 years after the closure of Dudley Wood. Gary Patchett, Chris Van Straaten, Nigel Pearson - Heathens Speedway Club Ltd. Thats the official club statement guys, its been in local media, on local Radio, on Social media, I think it makes it pretty plain what is the aim.. Edited July 13, 2017 by greyhoundp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Is this a full planning application or for outline? I couldn't find it on the Sandwell web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Can't see Wolves objecting as we are operating under their noses at the moment and we have proved beyond any doubt that Wolves fans and Cradley fans are pretty much mutually exclusive groups so no danger of poaching fans. As I've said before, this is really good news and let's just celebrate it as such for the moment. There will be hurdles to overcome, no doubt, but everybody should be pushing in the same direction on this one. Sandwell have made positive noises in the past and I'm sure they would be delighted to pinch Dudley's most successful sports team. Not that there will be too many tears coming from that particular Town Hall. Football, Cricket, Greyhounds, Speedway and two Swimming Baths are Dudley's list of sporting casualties over the years. It would be great to see at least one of them bite them back! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 As we all know, Nigel Pearson and Chris Van Straaten have strong connections within Wolverhampton Speedway but for the sake of speedway in the area, they should join together & follow it through, stronger as a unit. Pearson has always said that they were looking for a decent site & here it is, not quite on their doorstep but not too far away. It will be lower league speedway so should not be a problem providing that they would ride on a different night to Birmingham & probably Stoke, thus not invoking the 30 mile limit on teams racing on the same night. Whether the team would remain Cradley or be a new team Sandwell, should not be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Is this a full planning application or for outline? I couldn't find it on the Sandwell web site Outline, we, and our Consultants felt there was no point in going for full P.P, and all the expense that involves, if we cant obtain Outline.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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