CookieIpswich Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 A prime example of how wrong the BSPA got it last winter, a young extremely young talented rider who has found the championship tough too tough at this present time. The decision to make the Premiership & Championship closer means that the progress of these youngsters will take even longer. JPB will no doubt drop back down to NL and bang in big points for a 16/17yr old to do that is impressive in itself I know I bang on about things but the Premiership needs to be further away from what the Championship is now and the current championship and NL need to be combined. If this was the case someone like JPB would be more likely a second string rider beating the current crop and scoring points against the NL level riders while at the same time "testing" himself against heat leaders who are currently the lower ran riders in the championship, decent experienced riders too No offence but riders like Masters, King, Harris, J.Holder, Schlein etc are far far too good for the championship and it is no good for the development of younger riders We'll always get the odd exception like a Bewley but if thr BSPA are serious about developing the sport and the next crop of youngsters then Championship and NL need to be closer or as I said combined 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) A prime example of how wrong the BSPA got it last winter, a young extremely young talented rider who has found the championship tough too tough at this present time. The decision to make the Premiership & Championship closer means that the progress of these youngsters will take even longer. JPB will no doubt drop back down to NL and bang in big points for a 16/17yr old to do that is impressive in itself I know I bang on about things but the Premiership needs to be further away from what the Championship is now and the current championship and NL need to be combined. If this was the case someone like JPB would be more likely a second string rider beating the current crop and scoring points against the NL level riders while at the same time "testing" himself against heat leaders who are currently the lower ran riders in the championship, decent experienced riders too No offence but riders like Masters, King, Harris, J.Holder, Schlein etc are far far too good for the championship and it is no good for the development of younger riders We'll always get the odd exception like a Bewley but if thr BSPA are serious about developing the sport and the next crop of youngsters then Championship and NL need to be closer or as I said combined I just think the leagues now are naturally coming closer together and maybe one big league could be on the horizon.JPB for me is one hell of a talent and he is a championship rider no doubts in my mind about that but things have not gone right for him at Sheffield.He will get there and hopefully SOON he will take the Championship back on again hopefully with Sheffield.Often maybe in JPB case it is having the aquipment money and set up to do two leagues it very difficult and expensive to..Cookie you would know better than most Hume before his injury was doing great and the unlucky Danny Phillips but there are not many NL riders ready for the step up yet it is a mighty leap.I will predict JPB will be back and will have a good career ahead of him i hope it is at Sheffield. Edited July 8, 2017 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 A prime example of how wrong the BSPA got it last winter, a young extremely young talented rider who has found the championship tough too tough at this present time. The decision to make the Premiership & Championship closer means that the progress of these youngsters will take even longer. JPB will no doubt drop back down to NL and bang in big points for a 16/17yr old to do that is impressive in itself I know I bang on about things but the Premiership needs to be further away from what the Championship is now and the current championship and NL need to be combined. If this was the case someone like JPB would be more likely a second string rider beating the current crop and scoring points against the NL level riders while at the same time "testing" himself against heat leaders who are currently the lower ran riders in the championship, decent experienced riders too No offence but riders like Masters, King, Harris, J.Holder, Schlein etc are far far too good for the championship and it is no good for the development of younger riders We'll always get the odd exception like a Bewley but if thr BSPA are serious about developing the sport and the next crop of youngsters then Championship and NL need to be closer or as I said combined Then again, there are plenty of other young riders who seem to be doing OK in the Championship. I think the most likely combining would be between the Premiership and Championship and as you mention the NL, it seems to be becoming a career choice for riders who aren't young but like being big fish in small ponds, that is even more of a stumbling block for young riders. 1 rider/coach is acceptable but some sides seem to be stocked with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I'm not knocking JPB he looks amazing for his age but there are many aspects to why it's been a struggle but for me riding in a league against those type of riders will not progress enough youngsters through the system,there will come a time when the likes of JPB will race the danny kings of this world but it would be further down the line when JPB is at a certain level or so be it if king was declining down. I would say its the same for Hume tho if the bottom two leagues were combined he would be second string for a while and would develope beating heat leaders in a combined league. One big league cant work, not enough riders which is why I believe a combination league is a must to give more opportunity to younger riders to come into the sport More teams, more team places its a simple equation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I'm not knocking JPB he looks amazing for his age but there are many aspects to why it's been a struggle but for me riding in a league against those type of riders will not progress enough youngsters through the system,there will come a time when the likes of JPB will race the danny kings of this world but it would be further down the line when JPB is at a certain level or so be it if king was declining down. I would say its the same for Hume tho if the bottom two leagues were combined he would be second string for a while and would develope beating heat leaders in a combined league. One big league cant work, not enough riders which is why I believe a combination league is a must to give more opportunity to younger riders to come into the sport More teams, more team places its a simple equation One big league can work and it's been done more than once, you might have to bring in a few more NL riders though. Personally I doubt that either of our ideas will happen any time soon but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 The national league would have to go completely to make one big league as it would swallow up the majority of their riders then you'll end up with teams consisting of doyle at no.1 and a 4/5 pplpoint current NL rider at 6/7 it would (Only in my opinion) be worse from a spectacle point of view than now I struggled to complete 12 x 7 rider teams putting ideas together a few weeks ago for just one professional league Worrying times for the sport, but its forever been this way, only time til the lights go out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) I'm not knocking JPB he looks amazing for his age but there are many aspects to why it's been a struggle but for me riding in a league against those type of riders will not progress enough youngsters through the system,there will come a time when the likes of JPB will race the danny kings of this world but it would be further down the line when JPB is at a certain level or so be it if king was declining down. I would say its the same for Hume tho if the bottom two leagues were combined he would be second string for a while and would develope beating heat leaders in a combined league. One big league cant work, not enough riders which is why I believe a combination league is a must to give more opportunity to younger riders to come into the sport More teams, more team places its a simple equation Hume lets be honest he had a few amazing metings at the end of last year and before that he lost points in certain meetings by falling. etc losing points but showing his talent.I actually think now the Championship is a pretty good product really tough and any young un even at reserve has to be half decent now to compete. Edited July 7, 2017 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Clearly it was too early for him to be in the Championship with the same race format that currently applies. If you provide a heat formula that allows riders to compete on equal terms then it would make their task a little easier. I have never understood why we have a heat leader riding with a reserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Clearly it was too early for him to be in the Championship with the same race format that currently applies. If you provide a heat formula that allows riders to compete on equal terms then it would make their task a little easier. I have never understood why we have a heat leader riding with a reserve. I actually think he is ready for it ability wise maybe it is his overall set up aquipment wise not easy or cheap to maintain. Hopwood ,Bowtell,Phillips,Hume,Mountain have competed well so JPB certainly should be able to my belief is in the future he will show us his true ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted July 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 But if you took the heat leaders out of the championship and the current second strings became heat leaders, the likes of hume, jpb etc became second strings and lower end NL riders slotted in as reserves, would this not be a better development path? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 But if you took the heat leaders out of the championship and the current second strings became heat leaders, the likes of hume, jpb etc became second strings and lower end NL riders slotted in as reserves, would this not be a better development path?No not in my eyes because our top league there is not alot of difference now between the two leagues now if anything the Championship has a better product more variation of tracks more entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 The Championship is weaker than last years Premier League so it should have been easier for riders like JPB to step up! I think the NL getting weaker each year doesn't help youngsters improvement as it seems the step up to the Championship is larger each year! From the 42 ave that each team should in theory have, PL dropped to 40 & NL dropped to 39 so to step up a league next year will be more difficult right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 A prime example of how wrong the BSPA got it last winter, a young extremely young talented rider who has found the championship tough too tough at this present time. The decision to make the Premiership & Championship closer means that the progress of these youngsters will take even longer. JPB will no doubt drop back down to NL and bang in big points for a 16/17yr old to do that is impressive in itself I know I bang on about things but the Premiership needs to be further away from what the Championship is now and the current championship and NL need to be combined. If this was the case someone like JPB would be more likely a second string rider beating the current crop and scoring points against the NL level riders while at the same time "testing" himself against heat leaders who are currently the lower ran riders in the championship, decent experienced riders too No offence but riders like Masters, King, Harris, J.Holder, Schlein etc are far far too good for the championship and it is no good for the development of younger riders We'll always get the odd exception like a Bewley but if thr BSPA are serious about developing the sport and the next crop of youngsters then Championship and NL need to be closer or as I said combined Not sure BSPA got it wrong. With points limit reduced to 40, new NL riders coming in at 2 points, and the potential JPB had shown, I think Sheffield would have wanted him, even if a two pointer was not compulsary. Also think JPB would have progressed if he had stuck with the Tigers, but good luck to him, whatever he does. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted July 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I guess everyone looks at it differently, I'd certainly do things differently but none of us have any control 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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