A ORLOV Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) I have to agree with Rosco on this, it's a joke that you can't have a guest for an injured rider because they are in positions 2-5 yet wolves who have a double up rider can bring in King & Starke at reserve for their injured rider. Nick is key to our side & without him we weakened massively. I don't blame Nick or Swindon in trying to have him passed fit although I can't see the bspa allowing it. A lot would depend on who decided 9 days out for concussion, if it was a few of the bspa then it is questionable, if a concussion specialist then it should be the period specified. Apparently Nick has been seen by a doctor so the decision should be up to the doctor if he feels Nick is ok to ride. It does seem daft about not being able to bring in a second guest if the manager chooses. Edited June 28, 2017 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Howarth's average is 6.79. (Green sheet issue 15.) Danny King's average is 6.72. Quite right, I was looking at the team statistics page in error (marked, to my shame, in large type "These are not official green sheet averages"!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Don't get me wrong, any head injury needs to be treated carefully & if the rules are 9 days rest then so be it (I do wonder whether the FIM follow the same rules as come Saturday Nick will have only missed 8 days). My point is that a guest should be allowed. He's our 2nd best rider, put points on his average & losing him to R/R isn't fair IMO Â Â David Howe said a few weeks ago at Berwick that he felt ok to ride but was out for 9 days. He also said that it is probably a good thing in hindsight (to protect him from racing when possibly not quite right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 A lot would depend on who decided 9 days out for concussion, if it was a few of the bspa then it is questionable, if a concussion specialist then it should be the period specified. Apparently Nick has been seen by a doctor so the decision should be up to the doctor if he feels Nick is ok to ride. It does seem daft about not being able to bring in a second guest if the manager chooses. Most doctors would stick with him not riding ..most sports like Horse racing etc have these rules in place on concussion that are no doubt based on medical guidelines in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Most doctors would stick with him not riding ..most sports like Horse racing etc have these rules in place on concussion that are no doubt based on medical guidelines in the first place As I said if the doctor said no then fine, they are the experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 As I said if the doctor said no then fine, they are the experts. Not really a question of saying yes or no based on one person ...no doubt research has been done on the subject hence why guidelines have been set ..rather that asking a rider if he's ok and or ask him how many fingers the doctors holding up . Â If 8 or 9 days is the rule then it should be stuck too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I started going in 69 and the reserve format 6/7/6/7' race was there then, v Halifax at home Boocock beat Briggs in heat 1 and again in the Silver Sash that stuck in my mind not many beat Briggo at the Abbey then. Yes, but the 'team' may have been 1-6, with just the no 7 being reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 As I said if the doctor said no then fine, they are the experts. Â You can get a different opinion from one doctor to the next though. A blanket ban on riding after a concussion is definitely the right rule, the question is what the duration should be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I agree that the rules should be followed as it would set a bad precedent if it were overruled - no exceptions! Â Ironically though he was injured while riding for his Championship side and the only option open to Swindon is R/R - so Swindon suffer as a result whilst Berwick can have a guest for him - doesn't seem fair! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingRacer2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Hi all I'm new to this forum so be gentle. Just moved to the Swindon area from Reading, just started going to speedway again at the Abbey since the demise of Smallmead. My first impressions from this season, apart from Doyle and Morris who are always going to get 10+ a meeting, young Zach has impressed me (great style).  My prediction for tomorrow  Swindon 43-47 Wolves (And that's being generous to Ellis and Wilson-Dean) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 A lot would depend on who decided 9 days out for concussion, if it was a few of the bspa then it is questionable, if a concussion specialist then it should be the period specified. Apparently Nick has been seen by a doctor so the decision should be up to the doctor if he feels Nick is ok to ride. It does seem daft about not being able to bring in a second guest if the manager chooses. As far as I'm aware it's the ruling from the highest order as it's applicable to all countries, leagues and competitions. Assuming that's FIM directive and agreed by all. It's not really up for discussion I'd imagine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 As far as I'm aware it's the ruling from the highest order as it's applicable to all countries, leagues and competitions. Assuming that's FIM directive and agreed by all. It's not really up for discussion I'd imagine! Well that is fine then, which is all I was pointing out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Riders safety is paramount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Yes, but the 'team' may have been 1-6, with just the no 7 being reserve.1969 was when the "classic" BL format came in, so at latest it was 69 when 2 reserves startedI have to agree with Rosco on this, it's a joke that you can't have a guest for an injured rider because they are in positions 2-5 yet wolves who have a double up rider can bring in King & Starke at reserve for their injured rider. Nick is key to our side & without him we weakened massively. I don't blame Nick or Swindon in trying to have him passed fit although I can't see the bspa allowing it.People have whinged and whinged on here about too many guests, yet when the bspa do something about it people still whinge... fwiw I would allow choice of facility for hl only and no facility 4-7 other than replaced by a number 8 or NL rider, but the bspa rule this season actually makes sense imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 The two reserve system was introduced in 1969, replacing the old system of one reserve and a 'supplementary reserve' chosen from one of the second strings and used in case of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted June 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Is this one of those meetings that is more meaningful because Swindon won't finish top but might still be able to finish in the top 4? Swindon lost any chance of a top 4 spot the minute they were stitched up by Tungate & didn't look for another rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I agree that the rules should be followed as it would set a bad precedent if it were overruled - no exceptions! Â Ironically though he was injured while riding for his Championship side and the only option open to Swindon is R/R - so Swindon suffer as a result whilst Berwick can have a guest for him - doesn't seem fair! Â Someone should arrange a meeting, maybe on an annual basis, where promoters can come together and agree the rules for the upcoming season. Â That would surely stop individuals feeling as if they are being victimised by unfavourable rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Baz Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 The two reserve system was introduced in 1969, replacing the old system of one reserve and a 'supplementary reserve' chosen from one of the second strings and used in case of injuries. Don't think he was 'chosen' Rob. I believe he was the second lowest average after the reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Today's Premiership section in the Star seems to suggest Swindon have nothing lined up in any way to strengthen this side? 'See what comes up' badically which when you consider how far we are in terms of points and strength off the top 4 does suggest we are giving up a bit on the playoffs which financially is a bit dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 There isn't exactly an option which jumps out, so I think it makes sense to wait - especially if Jason is going to be missed for a while. Â It will also be interesting to see how Gappmaier goes in the team, as for me he has the most potential out of our bottom four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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