daveallan81 Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 Plenty to come on this thread but I'll start with the Southern Area League. First of all, my reference league table is here http://www.speedwaygb.co/history/leaguetables1959.php My problem lies with Aldershot and Eastbourne. The Shots have a F/A of 268-300 against the tables 271-297. Eagles have 297-276 against 294-279. All other teams are balanced. I have Aldershot v Eastbourne (39-32) on 8th August but do not have a return fixture except for a challenge at Eastbourne on 30th August which finished 41-31. The F/A figures above incorporate this result as if it was an SAL match but clearly that upsets the league table which seems to be looking for a result of 38-34. The only SAL match I can find which finished 38-34 was the 31st May Eastbourne v Southern Rovers match which should have been expunged when the Rovers withdrew from the league. I can't help thinking the two are linked in some way. Did the 38-34 score remain in situe meaning Aldershot didn't have to visit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 Plenty to come on this thread but I'll start with the Southern Area League. First of all, my reference league table is here http://www.speedwaygb.co/history/leaguetables1959.php My problem lies with Aldershot and Eastbourne. The Shots have a F/A of 268-300 against the tables 271-297. Eagles have 297-276 against 294-279. All other teams are balanced. I have Aldershot v Eastbourne (39-32) on 8th August but do not have a return fixture except for a challenge at Eastbourne on 30th August which finished 41-31. The F/A figures above incorporate this result as if it was an SAL match but clearly that upsets the league table which seems to be looking for a result of 38-34. The only SAL match I can find which finished 38-34 was the 31st May Eastbourne v Southern Rovers match which should have been expunged when the Rovers withdrew from the league. I can't help thinking the two are linked in some way. Did the 38-34 score remain in situe meaning Aldershot didn't have to visit? I can confirm that the meeting on 31st May was the missing SAL match between Eastbourne and Aldershot. The original teams taking part were named as Eastbourne, Rayleigh, Rye House, Southern Rovers and Yarmouth. The intention was that Southern Rovers would be based at a new track at Sittingbourne but this never materialised. Rayleigh did not compete, being replaced by Ipswich. After the Southern Rovers SAL season had started with the meeting at Eastbourne it was decided the team would be based at Aldershot and the result then became one of the Aldershot results. To confirm the matter, the visiting line up is made up of Aldershot riders from the 1959 season. The tally of points scored by riders in the other 7 Aldershot SAL meetings compared with the published totals for the season leaves the shortfalls as Thomas 10, Meredith 9, Vandenberg 5, Eadon 4, Edwards 3 and Pickering 3. These are the same points as these riders scored in the meeting on 31st May. The result of the meeting between the sides is also shown as 38-34 in Peter Morrish's British Speedway Leagues book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 So effectively the Southern Rovers became Aldershot, the 38-34 result was 'transferred' and the 30th August match was a challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 So effectively the Southern Rovers became Aldershot, the 38-34 result was 'transferred' and the 30th August match was a challenge? Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Groovy. Can you confirm these race poinrs totals for the Britannia Shield groups please: Belle Vue 302-236 Coventry 264-274 Leicester 268-272 Oxford 244-296 Norwich 380-340 Poole 327-393 Southampton 365-354 Swindon 327-392 Wimbledon 400-320 Can you also confirm two Britannia Shield rain offs not included in either Researcher file? 25th April Swindon v Poole and 1st May Poole v Swindon. Edited June 28, 2017 by daveallan81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Groovy. Can you confirm these race poinrs totals for the Britannia Shield groups please: Belle Vue 302-236 Coventry 264-274 Leicester 268-272 Oxford 244-296 Norwich 380-340 Poole 327-393 Southampton 365-354 Swindon 327-392 Wimbledon 400-320 Can you also confirm two Britannia Shield rain offs not included in either Researcher file? 25th April Swindon v Poole and 1st May Poole v Swindon. The totals tally with the results in my programmes and those reported in the magazines. I can confirm that the meeting at Swindon on 25th April was called off after a day of heavy rain and the meeting at Poole on 1st May was also rained off, as recorded in the Swindon programmes afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Thanks. Again, no Southampton file to work from so can you confirm these please: 12th May Southern Riders QR finished in a tie between Ove Fundin & Ron How 16th June Pride Of The South won by Brian Crutcher 23rd June v Swedish Touring Team 49-41 30th June v Polish Touring Team 55-35 7th July World Championship QR won by Brian Crutcher 11th August World Championship SF won by Ronnie Moore 22nd September v Continentals 66-42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Thanks. Again, no Southampton file to work from so can you confirm these please: 12th May Southern Riders QR finished in a tie between Ove Fundin & Ron How 16th June Pride Of The South won by Brian Crutcher 23rd June v Swedish Touring Team 49-41 30th June v Polish Touring Team 55-35 7th July World Championship QR won by Brian Crutcher 11th August World Championship SF won by Ronnie Moore 22nd September v Continentals 66-42 Presumably you have Southampton 62 The Rest 33 on 27th March, The Butlin Trophy on 2nd June won in a run-off by Ronnie Moore from Jack Geran and Peter Craven after they tied on 13 points, England 52 Australasia 56 on 8th September. 12th May Fundin 14 and How 14 tied for first place, with Crutcher third on 12. There was no run-off, although in a top scorers scratch race Fundin won from Maidment, How and Taylor. 16th June Crutcher won with a 12 point maximum, with the meeting run over 16 heats, Jack Geran and Ronnie Moore were next highest scorers on 9. The results of the tour matches on 23rd and 30th June are confirmed. 7th July the meeting was won by Crutcher from Peter Moore and Ron Mountford. 11th August the meeting was won by Peter Moore with 14, from Ronnie Moore and Cyril Roger, both with 13. 22nd September was Southampton 66 Continentals 42. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Cheers. I'd managed to confirm a couple of Soton results from other files hence their omission. The next one is a bit weird. Belle Vue met Wimbledon in the London Cup over two legs, The BV & Dons files carry the results as BV 74 W 46 and W 53 BV 36 (although it is 53-39 on the header). The results page in the Wimbledon programme carries 33-57 and 53-36, so something going on with the first leg. Something to do with the reserves match being incorporated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Cheers. I'd managed to confirm a couple of Soton results from other files hence their omission. The next one is a bit weird. Belle Vue met Wimbledon in the London Cup over two legs, The BV & Dons files carry the results as BV 74 W 46 and W 53 BV 36 (although it is 53-39 on the header). The results page in the Wimbledon programme carries 33-57 and 53-36, so something going on with the first leg. Something to do with the reserves match being incorporated? I have the programmes from both meetings but they will need to be retrieved from archives, I will let you know when I have them to hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 BL65 any chance on the heat details for the following Southampton meetings please ? 12th May Southern Riders QR finished in a tie between Ove Fundin & Ron How 16th June Pride Of The South won by Brian Crutcher 23rd June v Swedish Touring Team 49-41 30th June v Polish Touring Team 55-35 7th July World Championship QR won by Brian Crutcher 11th August World Championship SF won by Ronnie Moore 22nd September v Continentals 66-42 many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) BL65 any chance on the heat details for the following Southampton meetings please ? 12th May Southern Riders QR finished in a tie between Ove Fundin & Ron How 16th June Pride Of The South won by Brian Crutcher 23rd June v Swedish Touring Team 49-41 30th June v Polish Touring Team 55-35 7th July World Championship QR won by Brian Crutcher 11th August World Championship SF won by Ronnie Moore 22nd September v Continentals 66-42 many thanks Yes, I will email them to you, probably after the weekend. Update: sent 02/07/17 Edited July 2, 2017 by BL65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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