Gavan Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 Its going to be similar in the football world cup when they increase the teams, more third rate countries will mean more one sided matches, same in any sport. spot on wherever that meeting was held, Lynn, Belle Vue, Rye House you would still have had a gulf in class with little close racing. put the World Cup final at Lynn and granted it wont be as good as the NSS but it would still be a far better meeting than Saturday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 Wont be decided until early Sept. If Swindon win all their 5 home matches in 14 days can scrape into top 4. Belle Vue and Wolves look certs, Poole, Lynn, Swindon for other 2 spots. We only win when we have R/R in the team as on all occasions this season it has scored way more than the missing rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) The absence of published attendances makes it awkward to back up although the effect is perfectly illustrated in the Swedish attendance figures someone posted last year. Flange mentions this over and over and over. The reality was the figures were published to show the effect the playoffs had in Sweden, which were positive. Flange in his usual way tried to twist the figures as they have been steadily declining. Sadly, he ignores the fact that even with that being the case, they are still much higher (bar ONE season) than before the playoffs were introduced. In summary, the average attendance in Sweden since the playoffs were brought in is considerably higher than the years beforehand. Edited July 3, 2017 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) Ha ha ha you really don't do sums do you? http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=82483&p=2844074 It is just a fact that increasing 4% a year is better than increasing 2% a year, I am sorry if you think that is 'twisted', lol! It's just a fact that crowds are considerably higher since the playoffs than prior. You'd do well in business if you think sales of 2,4,6,8,10 in successive months are better than 100,99,98,97,96.. which is effectively what you are arguing here. I repeat, the facts are crowds are MUCH higher in Sweden since playoffs were introduced compared to prior in the figures that were provided. Here are the figures that you are referring too. av attendance 1994 1009 1995 1135 1996 1089 1997 1137 1998 1172 1999 1796 Play-offs introduced av attendance excluding play-offs 2000 2261 2001 2781 2002 2678 2003 2847 2004 2864 2005 3029 2006 2602 2007 2742 Play-off final attendances 2000 12242 & 7464 2001 8639 & 9080 2002 5940 & 8035 2003 5468 & 8426 2004 5709 & 7526 2005 8703 & 7264 2006 7901 & 5899 2007 9398 & 8564 The HIGHEST average attendance in the 1994-1999 period before playoffs is nowhere close to the LOWEST since the playoffs were introduced in the figures shown. Only a complete imbecile could try and use the figures above to attempt to prove the playoffs had an adverse effect on crowds in Sweden. This of course before we even factor in the bumper attendances in the play-offs. To make it very very simple, Average crowd from 1994-1999 with no playoffs: 1223 Average crowd from 2000-2007 after playoffs introduced (Not including playoffs): 2725.50. So no, the playoffs did not have an adverse effect on crowds in Sweden once introduced, they more than doubled. Edited July 3, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 No, YOU are arguing that 2,4,6,8,10 'in successive months' followed 11,12,13,14,15 doesn't indicate something negative happened at 10. Thanks for posting the figures. So we can now put to bed the false claim you have made on thread after thread that the figures show playoffs had an adverse effect on attendances in Sweden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 No? Which is the better sequence? 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20 or 2,4,6,8,10,11,12,13,14,15 Take your time, ha ha! Irrelevant Nonsense as usual. Average crowd from 1994-1999 with no playoffs: 1223 Average crowd from 2000-2007 after playoffs introduced (Not including playoffs): 2725.50. Case closed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 It's just a fact that crowds are considerably higher since the playoffs than prior. You'd do well in business if you think sales of 2,4,6,8,10 in successive months are better than 100,99,98,97,96.. which is effectively what you are arguing here. I repeat, the facts are crowds are MUCH higher in Sweden since playoffs were introduced compared to prior in the figures that were provided. Here are the figures that you are referring too. av attendance 1994 1009 1995 1135 1996 1089 1997 1137 1998 1172 1999 1796 Play-offs introduced av attendance excluding play-offs 2000 2261 2001 2781 2002 2678 2003 2847 2004 2864 2005 3029 2006 2602 2007 2742 Play-off final attendances 2000 12242 & 7464 2001 8639 & 9080 2002 5940 & 8035 2003 5468 & 8426 2004 5709 & 7526 2005 8703 & 7264 2006 7901 & 5899 2007 9398 & 8564 The HIGHEST average attendance in the 1994-1999 period before playoffs is nowhere close to the LOWEST since the playoffs were introduced in the figures shown. Only a complete imbecile could try and use the figures above to attempt to prove the playoffs had an adverse effect on crowds in Sweden. This of course before we even factor in the bumper attendances in the play-offs. To make it very very simple, Average crowd from 1994-1999 with no playoffs: 1223 Average crowd from 2000-2007 after playoffs introduced (Not including playoffs): 2725.50. So no, the playoffs did not have an adverse effect on crowds in Sweden once introduced, they more than doubled. Sweden crowds increased but not only as a result of introducing the play offs. Swedish Speedway was entering a high, Rickardsson was major sport headlines, they were winning World Cups and attracting the big names. Having said that, in my opinion, the play offs are a necessary evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 Sweden crowds increased but not only as a result of introducing the play offs. Swedish Speedway was entering a high, Rickardsson was major sport headlines, they were winning World Cups and attracting the big names. Having said that, in my opinion, the play offs are a necessary evil. Fully agree Hodgy. There are many factors surrounding crowd figures both increasing and decreasing, both in Sweden and the UK. I'm glad you have noted they increased though as old Fred Flange is still peddling the argument that those figures somehow prove that the playoffs adversely effected attendances in Sweden. Oh dear! Here I'll help. The second sequence isn't as good, fact? But the average of the first half of the sequence is 6 and the second half is 13, more than double. (I can almost hear the cogs turning, lol!) You are arguing that what happened after '10' must have had a positive effect due to the significantly higher average after the change!! Like I said, you don't do sums very well do you? Irrelevant nonsense again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 It feels like Groundhog Day! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted July 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Updated table, as of today:- Belle Vue 14 Swindon 12 Wolverhampton 7 Poole 7 King's Lynn 4 Rye house 0 Somerset -8 Leicester -14 Swindon fantastic recent run of form, has seen them shoot up. From hereon it looks they will be battling for top spot with Belle Vue. Just 1 signing such as Musielak for Swindon shows how a dramatic difference can be made.Wolves home defeat to Poole has dragged them down and it seems there are three teams going for the final two spots. Lions seem certs fro the relegation play-off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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