bigcatdiary Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Was Shanes still on a 2 point average when he guested for Sheffield ? According to the rulebook - no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 According to the rulebook - noplease explain.... No new averages had been issued to Prem clubs at that point had they? When did he complete 4h 4a for Poole and what date was his new 2.11 Prem ave effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Did Shanes not only go above 2 with effect from 23 June? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Did Shanes not only go above 2 with effect from 23 June? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Correct Sounds like it's dead in the water to me and not even got off the ground if that makes any sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Sounds like it's dead in the water to me and not even got off the ground if that makes any sense. Having seen how quickly other issues are dealt with I would say it could still be "under consideration" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Having seen how quickly other issues are dealt with I would say it could still be "under consideration" Yes I agree but the evidence seems a bit flimsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 please explain.... No new averages had been issued to Prem clubs at that point had they? When did he complete 4h 4a for Poole and what date was his new 2.11 Prem ave effective? 16.2.7 A SGB Premiership or Championship League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. SHANES had done 4h and 4a by the 6th June 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 So the BSPA can allocate a new average but not publish it? Sounds a good way to run/ruin the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 16.2.7 A SGB Premiership or Championship League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. SHANES had done 4h and 4a by the 6th June Sounds as if the BSPA are more in the dark than the supporters who try to understand the rules that have been created or not as the case may be , perhaps fans should send in multiple choice answers to the BSPA to establish the outcome of any disputes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 16.2.7 A SGB Premiership or Championship League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. SHANES had done 4h and 4a by the 6th June but no averages were issued/effective for any Prem rider before ALL teams completed 4h 4a. This it seems was decided under the "in the best interests of" attachment that is scattered through the regs. Tungate was not allowed to sign on his lower ave achieved despite having completed his 4h 4a until that position was reached for all teams. Until then season starting figures were the only ones used for any Prem only riders. To retrospectively mix and match the application of any fugures would be an all time low even by British Speedway standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 but no averages were issued/effective for any Prem rider before ALL teams completed 4h 4a. This it seems was decided under the "in the best interests of" attachment that is scattered through the regs. Tungate was not allowed to sign on his lower ave achieved despite having completed his 4h 4a until that position was reached for all teams. Until then season starting figures were the only ones used for any Prem only riders. To retrospectively mix and match the application of any fugures would be an all time low even by British Speedway standards So why do it for the Championship but not for the Premiership bearing in mind the rule 16.2.7 applies equally to both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 So why do it for the Championship but not for the Premiership bearing in mind the rule 16.2.7 applies equally to both. Anybody know when it is up for debate by the BSPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 So why do it for the Championship but not for the Premiership bearing in mind the rule 16.2.7 applies equally to both.Bear in mind that same reg that you quoted is the one which if fully invoked would have prevented Peterborough bringing in Harris for Hansen.... Swings and roundabouts. It was also originally set out for the team building limit to be 42 for both leagues after the first set of revised averages but this was altered weeks into the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the rebel Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 So what was outcome of this then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 the outcome was in dispute . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 The outcome will be announced within the designated timescales as applied by BSPA & SCB, which sadly are only known by those organisations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 The outcome will be announced within the designated timescales as applied by BSPA & SCB, which sadly are only known by those organisations! Usually they'll wait to see if we can make the play-offs. If it's looking likely then any decision will go against us. If we can't make the play-offs then the decision will go for us. That's how it worked last time anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 Usually they'll wait to see if we can make the play-offs. If it's looking likely then any decision will go against us. If we can't make the play-offs then the decision will go for us. That's how it worked last time anyway. And here was me thinking they just actually followed and applied their rules for a change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 And here was me thinking they just actually followed and applied their rules for a change! that is what i was thinking ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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