lucifer sam Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 To clarify, Scunthorpe had a 28-day-facility for both Josh Auty and Josh Bailey. Because Auty wanted to return, Scunny checked whether it was the full 28 days before he could return, and were told he could return after 14 days. But he had stayed retired, the facility would have lasted for 28 days, although Berge would have been signed well within that. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 To clarify, Scunthorpe had a 28-day-facility for both Josh Auty and Josh Bailey. Because Auty wanted to return, Scunny checked whether it was the full 28 days before he could return, and were told he could return after 14 days. But he had stayed retired, the facility would have lasted for 28 days, although Berge would have been signed well within that. All the best Rob so with JPB not having agreed to return his ban should be 28 days and the facility match that. If the facility was subsequently reduced/withdrawn then this shouldve been invoked prior to the meeting upon Pboros legitimate protest. If the protest them was turned down it should then become 'a matter of fact' whether right or wrong Note - lots of shoulds and of course that nobody so far has confirmed a timeline for any part of the saga which means all comments are effectively p!$$ing in the wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Panthers v Sheffield was Sunday 18th June Birmingham Press Release Tuesday June 06, 2017: BIRMINGHAM Brummies have been informed by the British Speedway Promoters' Association that a period of inactivity has been placed on Jack Parkinson-Blackburn of 14 days. The issue has been discussed by members of the Management Committee who feel this is the appropriate punishment for Parkinson-Blackburn who is deemed to have withheld his services for SGB Championship side Sheffield on Friday, June 2. It means the Brummies No.1 is not permitted to ride in Wednesday's home clash against Eastbourne at Perry Barr and will also miss next week's trips to Kent and the Isle of Wight. The 16-year-old will be available for selection from Friday, June 16 meaning he is in line to return to the Brummies side at home to Lakeside on Wednesday, June 21. Birmingham Brummies Speedway will be making no further comment on the matter and a full meeting preview ahead of this Wednesday's Travel Plus National League home fixture against Eastbourne will be issued later this evening (Tuesday) http://www.birminghambrummies.co/_mobile/news.php?extend.2470 Edited June 25, 2017 by Noodles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Another grey area to our rules. "A period of inactivity" if withholding his services to Sheffield, applies to both leagues. If JPB intends to re-join Sheffield, then his ban will be 14 days, similar to Auty, BUT, if he has NO intention to re-join Sheffield, then the full 28 day ban should apply. This is how I read it but rules & interpretations, what a minefield! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 So 14 days for Birmingham as he is looking to return (in line with Auty precedent) But is obviously hasnt been happy to return to Sheffield so whether that ruling affects/overrides the initial regulatory 28 day facility for them isnt clear or indeed covered in that release (you wouldnt expect Birmingham to) If the MC were as a result only allowing Sheffield a 14 day facility this shouldve been clear and unequivocally communicated to them. Subsequently when Pboro protested it shouldve been upheld prior to the meeting as 'a matter of fact' as per the regs. Until the full details are in open its still all up in the air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Surly the ref would have clarified with someone if he was okay to ride or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Surly the ref would have clarified with someone if he was okay to ride or not?the only way this should go against Sheffield is if it can be proved that they knowingly presented information about the JPB situation that was false in order to get a facility that otherwise would not be due to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted June 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Well after being shat on for many years: 1995 Tractor boys, Jesper B Monberg, events of 2010 etc being prime examples then it's nice to turn that around. Add to that when Proctor illegally rode for Poole against us and Kings Lynn getting points off us on the eve of us clinching a place in the play offs..or not. Oh and the time they wouldn't let us sign Thorsell plus the Cook thing last season amongst many other occasions. Edited June 25, 2017 by Lukas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the rebel Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 And just maybe when you have something constructive to say we will listen to your words of wisdom in the meantime do us all a favour and shut up. He is right p/bough have been cheating for years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Paranoia rules ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) He is right p/bough have been cheating for years Have a day off mate. Interesting to read in last night's program about Panthers lodging a protest over Shane's appearance for Sheffield last Sunday..and they fully expect to get the result overturned . Not that interesting. I just checked the website which is the source of news, allegedly, and there's jack on there. Edited June 25, 2017 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Add to that when Proctor illegally rode for Poole against us and Kings Lynn getting points off us on the eve of us clinching a place in the play offs..or not. Oh and the time they wouldn't let us sign Thorsell plus the Cook thing last season amongst many other occasions. All in the past now lets get back on track and look forward to the future , whatever the outcome of this protest we should not dwell on it one way or another . I don't like the thought of rulebook speedway and never have ,clubs should never have the opportunity to find loopholes in the rules it should be simple enough for authorities to sit down and thrash out the grey areas into simple black and white . Yes there will be times when clubs question a decision but this will never happen unless these things are thrashed out and rules tightened to ensure such protests are brought to a minimum. Buster promised more clarity in the sport when he took over but nothing seems to have changed . At the end of the day we want to see speedway conducted in a fair way on track without any promoters leafing through rule books to find these grey areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I don't know why people refer to grey areas within the rule book because the whole thing is a grey area open to interpretation for any given situation. That's how it works, keep it as complicated as possible because something somewhere is bound to contradict with something else so you can just make a decision on the day and do similar next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I don't know why people refer to grey areas within the rule book because the whole thing is a grey area open to interpretation for any given situation. That's how it works, keep it as complicated as possible because something somewhere is bound to contradict with something else so you can just make a decision on the day and do similar next time. That was the point I was making earlier . We were promised the whole thing was to be ripped up and started again . No sign of that happening 18 months into Chapman's reign . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I don't know why people refer to grey areas within the rule book because the whole thing is a grey area open to interpretation for any given situation. That's how it works, keep it as complicated as possible because something somewhere is bound to contradict with something else so you can just make a decision on the day and do similar next time. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 That was the point I was making earlier . We were promised the whole thing was to be ripped up and started again . No sign of that happening 18 months into Chapman's reign . It was pointed out that when Buster took over, it was too late to make any rule changes & they would start in 2017. Any changes made are agreed upon by vote by all promoters & not just the committee members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Was Shanes still on a 2 point average when he guested for Sheffield ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 It was pointed out that when Buster took over, it was too late to make any rule changes & they would start in 2017. Any changes made are agreed upon by vote by all promoters & not just the committee members. Apparently NOT in the change as to how the rolling averages are calculated according to at least one Promotion, and has been imo, the major source of discontent, alleged fiddling, rider insecurity, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Apparently NOT in the change as to how the rolling averages are calculated according to at least one Promotion, and has been imo, the major source of discontent, alleged fiddling, rider insecurity, etc. Yep agree with that. The mob rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Interesting to read in last night's program about Panthers lodging a protest over Shane's appearance for Sheffield last Sunday..and they fully expect to get the result overturned . Not much happening or mention elsewhere it seems so hot air and programme filler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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