tyretrax Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 If Tai has dual citizenship, he has chosen GB and that is fine. If he did switch to Australia then that would be his prerogative. As long he only rode as Australian from then on. Likewise with Rory. If he has dual citizenship and has switched to being a British rider then I don't see what the problem is as long as he sticks to GB only. He doesn't, he's British born although maybe not raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 No, British riders only. Otherwise you will open the floodgates.I think you are missing the point here. The discussion is what should constitutes a British rider. Is it based on bring born here? Holding a british passport? British residency? Passport plus having never represented another country?Why is there not a rule out there in sport which says once you have represented one country you cannot represent another, it makes it even worse when that qualification comes through residency. It makes a mockery out of sport, Irish cricketers are some of the worst culprits, represent Ireland, then see a better offer for England then in some cases return to Ireland. Just don't see there is an appetite to change these regulations as the bigger nations in cricket , rugby etc are the ones who benefit most. Not really true that it is the bigger nation who benefits. Take rugby and rugby league. Often you will have players who have represented the all blacks turning out for pacific island nations later in their careers. That benefits the smaller nations. The financial benefitvofcplaying for nz compared to the smaller nations is immense, if you took away this option players would still not represent the island nations earlier in their career. Unfortunately, the BSPA or any other sporting federation have no say in the process. There's a legal position on this where Rory covers all the criteria to race the British Final. As much as it upsets some, Rory can compete as much as he so wishes. Not true. Simply introduce a rule that say's an legibility requirement is not having represented any other nation internationally. Should A Non-Brtish Rider Compete In National Championship? The answer is 'No'. In other sports which carry a British, English, Welsh, Scottish or National label etc, only those with birth qualifications are permitted to contest a championship. But we are on a different level - this is speedway. Hence the seeming 'open house' qualifications that exist. The key factor in staging a speedway championship is 'bums on seats'. No more than that. Not true, as the comments below indicate.And to be clear - you therefore don't consider mark loram a British world champion but do consider Jason crump to be one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 Should A Non-Brtish Rider Compete In National Championship? The answer is 'No'. In other sports which carry a British, English, Welsh, Scottish or National label etc, only those with birth qualifications are permitted to contest a championship. But we are on a different level - this is speedway. Hence the seeming 'open house' qualifications that exist. The key factor in staging a speedway championship is 'bums on seats'. No more than that. And to be clear - you therefore don't consider mark loram a British world champion but do consider Jason crump to be one? I don't think I have ever passed an opinion on that and frankly at the moment do not intend to debate the qualifications in regard to Loram and Crump further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 I don't think I have ever passed an opinion on that and frankly at the moment do not intend to debate the qualifications in regard to Loram and Crump further. OK but your snarky comment seemed to indicate that you thought British finals should only be open to those who were born in Britain. If that wasn't your point perhaps you could elaborate as to what it was? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 What about a Swedish rider partnering Bruce Penhall in a World Best Pairs final representing USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 be good to have a British Open at BV with an invited field of say 6 or 7 brits and a stellar cast from the rest. British Open is a recognised brand name and a TV company would probably be interested bit like the old Internationale but with a recognisable brand tag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 ch958, very similar to what I said in post #50 Could have the top Brit (carefully defined-no loopholes) get the wild card for Cardiff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 Not really true that it is the bigger nation who benefits. Take rugby and rugby league. Often you will have players who have represented the all blacks turning out for pacific island nations later in their careers. That benefits the smaller nations. The financial benefitvofcplaying for nz compared to the smaller nations is immense, if you took away this option players would still not represent the island nations earlier in their career. Not true. Simply introduce a rule that say's an legibility requirement is not having represented any other nation internationally. Every sport should define their own policies, as each have different circumstances. Cricket by necessity has needed more flexibility than some sports because it's primarily a Commonwealth-based sport and there are so many dual nationals, plus the fact there's a distinct two-tier system in terms of test/ODI cricket and other levels. Then you have situations like the West Indies where there's no common nationality, and indeed some of the member islands are even British (and Dutch). Citizenship and accidents of birth are really a poor test of nationality these days though. It should really be based on where you spent your formative years and developed your sporting skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 Your crusade is a noble one Phil but don't expect anything positive to come from the F.I.M. What have they ever done for speedway ?. Reading this weeks Star Mr Castagna still thinks Poland only ride on Sundays, sadly not its now Fridays , Saturdays and Sundays. Poland this year have been trying and succeeding in flexing their muscles by restricting the trade of riders which participate in their league with a convenient silence from the F.I.M. It looks like they have friends at the F.I.M who now seem interested in insisting Britain relocate its league speedway to just 1 or 2 days.,in principle allowing Poland to have even more dates of their choice. Lets be honest we can't afford all these top riders anyway so I would tell the F.I.M to sling their hook. So Poland are, "flexing their muscles" by riding 3 days a week but it's ok for British Speedway to ride 6 days a week? Hmmm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 No, British riders only. Otherwise you will open the floodgates. This should exclude Adam Ellis, then, who I believe is French Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 This should exclude Adam Ellis, then, who I believe is French To British parents. He's British in the same way that Jason Crump is Australian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 To British parents. He's British in the same way that Jason Crump is Australian. If that is so - then he has every right to enter the Britsh Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 This should exclude Adam Ellis, then, who I believe is French Wrong. How could he then represent TeamGB in the World Cup, and also in the World U21 competition. His father has pubs in France and he's called Johnny. He's British. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) This should exclude Adam Ellis, then, who I believe is French I'd pay good money to watch you go up to him in the pits and tell him he's French. it'd come as a bit of a shock to me and his mum too ! Edited July 7, 2017 by Jonny the spud 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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