Trees Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Only difference with Bunyan is that he has lived in NZ for fifteen years, has full NZ residency,and is also 10 times NZ Champion. No doubt Rory fulfilled all the criteria to compete in the British Final, and good luck to him, he didn't make or break the Rules. Unfortunately it shows how the Sport has disintegrated over the last few years, we don't even have enough Riders to fill the Team places available. Doesn't seem that long ago when you struggled to get into Brandon for the British Final. But we do ..... as you say Rory qualified via the criteria laid down by the ACU/BSPA, simple as that really ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Then the criteria needs to be changed. Can't have an Aussie, (and thats what he is regardless of acu lisence or passport) taking a British riders spot or god forbid the British wildcard. Â Make sure rules are changed for 2018 please bspa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Then the criteria needs to be changed. Can't have an Aussie, (and thats what he is regardless of acu lisence or passport) taking a British riders spot or god forbid the British wildcard. Â Make sure rules are changed for 2018 please bspa. Â Â We fans can ask politely, rant and rave on here or do what to influence the BSPA? Do we all all write in to our local promoter to to the BSPA office to get such a thing put on the agenda of a future meeting? Talk to them individually in the bar after a meeting? Perhaps they need a method of fan feedback collection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Then the criteria needs to be changed. Can't have an Aussie, (and thats what he is regardless of acu lisence or passport) taking a British riders spot or god forbid the British wildcard. Â Make sure rules are changed for 2018 please bspa. Â Unfortunately, the BSPA or any other sporting federation have no say in the process. There's a legal position on this where Rory covers all the criteria to race the British Final. As much as it upsets some, Rory can compete as much as he so wishes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Any Player who has already participated in a match (either in full or in part) in an Official Competition of any category or any type of football for one Association may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association. Â This rule was brought in to football to stop these embarrassing situations. Very simple to follow and logical in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Any Player who has already participated in a match (either in full or in part) in an Official Competition of any category or any type of football for one Association may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association.  This rule was brought in to football to stop these embarrassing situations. Very simple to follow and logical in my opinion.  It's not actually true though is it, if a player has been in the UK long enough to earn British Citizenship and passport they can represent England even if they've represented other country at full international level. Off the top of my head we had it with Bruce Grobbelaar and more recently Wojciech Szczęsny. Same as most sports though, pro-athletes don't tend to stick around long enough to gain citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 It's not actually true though is it, if a player has been in the UK long enough to earn British Citizenship and passport they can represent England even if they've represented other country at full international level. Off the top of my head we had it with Bruce Grobbelaar and more recently Wojciech Szczęsny. Same as most sports though, pro-athletes don't tend to stick around long enough to gain citizenship. I believe it is true. The rule was brought in after Grobbelaar's playing days and I can only see Wojciech Szczęsny representing Poland, guess you may know something I don't.  Either way, I'm pretty sure if Messi became a British Citizen he would never be eligible to play for England, that's my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Should A Non-Brtish Rider Compete In National Championship? The answer is 'No'. In other sports which carry a British, English, Welsh, Scottish or National label etc, only those with birth qualifications are permitted to contest a championship. ​But we are on a different level - this is speedway. Hence the seeming 'open house' qualifications that exist. The key factor in staging a speedway championship is 'bums on seats'. No more than that. Edited June 25, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Also remember the time Zola Budd's citizenship was rushed through so she could run for GB in the Olympics.Think we also had some dodgy ',Brits' competing in cricket and rugby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Should A Non-Brtish Rider Compete In National Championship? The answer is 'No'. In other sports which carry a British, English, Welsh, Scottish or National label etc, only those with birth qualifications are permitted to contest a championship. ​But we are on a different level - this is speedway. Hence the seeming 'open house' qualifications that exist. The key factor in staging a speedway championship is 'bums on seats'. No more than that. It's not a speedway issue. What about Zola Budd? Basil D'Oliviera?  I don't believe for one second that Rory's inclusion had anything to do with bums on seats.  My assumption is that he has British citizenship but, for some reason, nobody seems to want to confirm if he has it.  Likewise nobody seems to want to confirm whether or not Tai has Australian citizenship.  Why doesn't someone just ask them this? Also remember the time Zola Budd's citizenship was rushed through so she could run for GB in the Olympics.Think we also had some dodgy ',Brits' competing in cricket and rugbyQuite. You got there ahead of me. Edited June 25, 2017 by grachan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Pairman Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 In 2011 - just after England had won the cricketing Ashes in Australia - Kyle Newman rode in three out of the four rounds of the Aussie championships. I think he was eligible to ride as he had won a state championship, but he was initially blocked by the authorities and missed the first round. When there were insufficient Australian riders available for the second round, MA asked him to compete. He and Steve Koppe drove from his base in Townsville to Adelaide - over 2800 km - to be met by a threat of a riders' boycott. The riders were over-ruled and Kyle competed. In the third round at Broken Hill, he continued to be ostracised and was given a place in the pits amongst the sidecars, not the solos. Kyle just kept his head down and said nothing. In the final round at Mildura, Kyle was amongst the solos in the pits, next to Chris Holder who was exceptionally supportive. Against the odds, Kyle won the B final putting him into the final, where, out of the referee's vision, he was bundled off his bike and unfairly excluded. As he was getting to his feet, an Aussie supporter shouted that he shouldn't have been in the meeting anyway, to which Kyle replied "at least we won the Ashes"! Oh yes, and the rider who bundled Kyle off? Rory Schlein. So, regardless of rights and wrongs, the addition of a cuckoo certainly adds to the conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Likewise nobody seems to want to confirm whether or not Tai has Australian citizenship. What if these riders have dual citizenship? A more-and-more frequent occurrence these days. Off the top of my head we had it with Bruce Grobbelaar and more recently Wojciech Szczęsny. Bruce Grobbelaar never played for England as far as I know, and he was actually born a South African not a Rhodesian/Zimbabwean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 What if these riders have dual citizenship? A more-and-more frequent occurrence these days. Â Bruce Grobbelaar never played for England as far as I know, and he was actually born a South African not a Rhodesian/Zimbabwean. Born in South Africa, brought up in Rhodesia and played for Zimbabwean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 What if these riders have dual citizenship? A more-and-more frequent occurrence these days. Â Â Individually you ride for the country/FMN that has issued your FIM license, in teams you ride according to your passport. So in fact they can choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 What if these riders have dual citizenship? A more-and-more frequent occurrence these days. Â Bruce Grobbelaar never played for England as far as I know, and he was actually born a South African not a Rhodesian/Zimbabwean. Â If Tai has dual citizenship, he has chosen GB and that is fine. If he did switch to Australia then that would be his prerogative. As long he only rode as Australian from then on. Â Likewise with Rory. If he has dual citizenship and has switched to being a British rider then I don't see what the problem is as long as he sticks to GB only. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Why is there not a rule out there in sport which says once you have represented one country you cannot represent another, it makes it even worse when that qualification comes through residency. It makes a mockery out of sport, Irish cricketers are some of the worst culprits, represent Ireland, then see a better offer for England then in some cases return to Ireland. Just don't see there is an appetite to change these regulations as the bigger nations in cricket , rugby etc are the ones who benefit most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Not just limited to cricket and rugby.Football and Handball for instance have big problems/numbers.FIFA did try to put a stop to all the Brazillian who were moving to Europe and representing teams here.But one of the main culprits is Qatar,who almost won the world championships in handball with a team mainly of ex-Yugoslavian counties nationals.Just look at the names in their current team....  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_national_handball_team  The german wikepedia site even lists the countries some previously represented  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katarische_M%C3%A4nner-Handballnationalmannschaft  Even in speedway,Armando Castagna will know more than most about changing nationality,because Italy have profited from 1 or 2 Argentinians who have changed to an Italian passport to further their career  As Armando said  For sure, in Italy we only allow Italian passport holders to enter our National Individual Championship... perhaps in UK is different?  But we must remember Italy was the country that have had one or two passport scandals.One involving sport...  http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/players-banned-over-false-passport-scandal-9159027.html  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/07/italian-police-bust-fake-passport-racket-amid-terror-fears/ Edited June 25, 2017 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Why is there not a rule out there in sport which says once you have represented one country you cannot represent another, it makes it even worse when that qualification comes through residency. It makes a mockery out of sport, Irish cricketers are some of the worst culprits, represent Ireland, then see a better offer for England then in some cases return to Ireland. Just don't see there is an appetite to change these regulations as the bigger nations in cricket , rugby etc are the ones who benefit most. Â As per my earlier post I believe there is such a rule in football, introduced around 2004. Once a player represents a country in an official international competition they cannot play for any other country thereafter. Which is why there is a often a mad scramble to get a promising youngster capped. I stand to be corrected. This could and should be easily adopted in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 No, British riders only. Otherwise you will open the floodgates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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