Should A Non-brtish Rider Compete In National Championship

[f-s-p]

This is not a FIM matter, but with FMN level (nat feds). When any rider is given a FMN license having earlier ridden for another FMN, thats when the shlt hits the fan. So according to the info I have, in Schleins case the writing was on the walls several years ago, not during the past few months...

 

I think it's pretty easy to correct the situation, but it needs someone to just do it and live with the crap it produces. On the other hand the way that speedway is and is going, rider availibility is a key on all levels of competition...

 

EDIT: all this playing around with licenses has been created by leagues introducing rules on local riders. Like that you can only double up if of the leagues nationality and such... if someone had had the balls to say to the first rider/team that this is a no go, we would not be here with this.

Edited June 24, 2017 by f-s-p

[Lord Skid]

WHY would it have to be in Speedway Star? And at the end of the day, as I haver said ad infinitum, my view is not worth more than anyone else, on here or elsewhere.

 

I spoke at length to BSI and the FIM, and indeed Buckley, about the New Zealand wild card situation but, let's face it, their options were very limited. Bunyan was very popular in NZ, especially Auckland, and did a great PR job which is why Buckley wanted him and there was nothing in the rules to prevent it. But it left a sour taste in my mouth but that didn't count and nor should it.

Only difference with Bunyan is that he has lived in NZ for fifteen years, has full NZ residency,and is also 10 times NZ Champion.

No doubt Rory fulfilled all the criteria to compete in the British Final, and good luck to him, he didn't make or break the Rules.

Unfortunately it shows how the Sport has disintegrated over the last few years, we don't even have enough Riders to fill the Team places available.

Doesn't seem that long ago when you struggled to get into Brandon for the British Final.

Edited June 24, 2017 by Lord Skid

[waytogo28]

There must be a reason he was able to conpete. I don't get why it wasn't just explained what that reason is.

 

Nothing is ever explained by the BSPA. They make the Masons look open and honest. Because of course they are not accountable to anyone.

[iris123]

So if Bunyan has lived in NZ for 15 years and has won 10 national championships,by my reckoning it was only 5 years after he went there at the most when he started riding in them.Surely Rory has been in the UK a lot longer?

I don't like it and am no fan of his but it seems the more you find out,the less grounds for complaint there are.Like it or not,we are moving towards being in a similar situation to Germany and god help us,I hope it is a long way off,but even the likes of Argentina

[OveFundinFan]

Just because NZ has done it doesnt mean to say UK has to.

 

Call it British Open Championship and invite as many foreign riders as wanted if needed to put on a good show), BUT the title is British Open Championship (not British Champion) and make it the rule the top British rider will get the Cardiff GP wild card.

[waytogo28]

So if Bunyan has lived in NZ for 15 years and has won 10 national championships,by my reckoning it was only 5 years after he went there at the most when he started riding in them.Surely Rory has been in the UK a lot longer? I don't like it and am no fan of his but it seems the more you find out,the less grounds for complaint there are.Like it or not,we are moving towards being in a similar situation to Germany and god help us,I hope it is a long way off,but even the likes of Argentina

 

I think that that is inevitable because the BSPA - the "custodians of the sport " seem to see nothing much wrong with it. They seem happy to go down with the band playing, just as on the Titanic. Take for example a 1/3 empty NSS for the British Final, how can they ignore that as the crisis it is?

[Midland Red]

WHY have you latched onto Humphrey's rather childish habit of calling me Phillippe? Can you not think of something yourself?

Childish habit? Is that something like starting every post in capital letters?

 

You chose to dwell on the above, rather than respond to the points I raised about the state of UK speedway and how you might make your voice heard before the sport's final demise is confirmed - you have long had a standing in the speedway world, so why not put it to good use (and that doesn't mean complaining about Jason Bunyan's wildcards)

[PHILIPRISING]

Childish habit? Is that something like starting every post in capital letters?

 

You chose to dwell on the above, rather than respond to the points I raised about the state of UK speedway and how you might make your voice heard before the sport's final demise is confirmed - you have long had a standing in the speedway world, so why not put it to good use (and that doesn't mean complaining about Jason Bunyan's wildcards)

THERE are a number of reasons why I am not making my voice heard - not that anyone takes any notice anyway - but they are personal and certainly not for discussion on here.

[Bagpuss]

I agree and talking to friends I didn't find any of them happy with Schlein riding in our British Championship Final, the fact that our best hope in years (Lambert) wasn't in it and we gave places away to an Australian and others who couldn't score a point beggars belief.

 

The top 8 riders should be seeded, the fact that they are not is surely down to the BSPA wanting to sell the semi finals and I dare say Woffinden might well ride if it was just one meeting.

 

As you say the sport in this country has a credibility crisis and this farce does nothing to help, I dare say the attendance might well have been a lot better Monday if all the top British riders were in attendance.

Hear bloody hear.

[DSC67]

Having Rory in the line up is not a situation I'm very happy about but I doubt it affected the attendance, nor would it stop me going to Cardiff if he'd become champ . Personally I don't think the wildcard should be decided by the result of the British final , as for the turnout I think it would improve if the meeting moved to a Saturday evening this would allow more people to travel from around the country without the problem of having school or work the next day

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Personally I don't think the wildcard should be decided by the result of the British final

with the lack of decent prize or point money the dangled carrot of a place at Cardiff is seen as a suitable replacement and I bet even woffinden would ride in it if he needed a place in the GP

[Mr Snackette]

 

.........Surely the FIM should ensure that riders only compete in the the national championship of the country of their birth.......

 

Mmmm......interesting criterion. So had the FIM applied these rules we would have been denied watching Mark Loram racing (and being a three-time winner) in the British Final, yet Jason Crump could have been British Champion.

 

That would have been a nonsense!

 

Rules and Regs are very easy to criticise, less so to draw up!!!

[Steve Shovlar]

I said from the word go Schlein should not have been anywhere near the British final, or semis for that matter.

 

British championship for British riders. Simple as that. It makes no odds whether Schlein has an ACU license or not. Rider completing in the British Championship should be allegable to ride for TeamGB in the SCW, and hold British passports.

 

Schlein has no interest in representing TeamGB and could have taken the British Wildcard for Cardiff. That would have been an utter disgrace.

 

Next year Brits only, with the top 6 guys seeded to the final. Two semis with five from each qualifying. That way Woffinden will have no excuse, Lambert will be seeded, and the lineup will be the best available to boost the attendance at the track and viewing figures.

[britmet]

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We've mooted a British Open Championship in posts above, but we should remember we already have a British league riders championship, i.e. a championship for riders of any nationality riding in a British league. . No point in duplicating that.

Its also worthy of note that while some countries have foreign winners of their national championship, (when its an Open Championship,) there are other countries that declare the winner of the national title to be the highest placed national rider in the championship meeting.
That's a better proposal than my earlier post, . .and the Cardiff Wild Card would still go to the British Champion, . . ( analogous to what happens now if the new champ has already qualified.)

[New Science]

I HAVE nothing against Rory Schlein and he has been a good and loyal servant to British speedway, despite some serious injuries, but should he, or any non-British rider, be allowed to ride in our national championship? I know all about the days of Briggs and Mauger, etc, but that was very different given that neither Australia nor New Zealand had any representation at the FIM and all their affairs were handled by the British ACU. We have moved on from there.

 

Personally, I think it would have been a mockery had he won on Monday and was immediately prompted to email the following the Armando Castagna...

 

BRITISH speedway narrowly avoided a major controversy and embarrassment on Monday evening when thankfully Rory Schlein didn’t win the British Championship. What a nonsense that would have been.

How can an Australian and one who has ridden for his country in international events become British Champion? It is too stupid for words.

 

Surely the FIM should ensure that riders only compete in the the national championship of the country of their birth and not on a licence of convenience.

 

His résponse ...

 

I have no idea of this situation ... but I'm sure Rory must have double passport including British one?

As FIM I can only say that if ACU allow riders from other countries to enter their National Individual Championship itis their decision and we can not interfere. Every country Federation can make their own rule regards their Individual National Championships. For sure, in Italy we only allow Italian passport holders to enter our National Individual Championship... perhaps in UK is different?

 

Your crusade is a noble one Phil but don't expect anything positive to come from the F.I.M. What have they ever done for speedway ?.

Reading this weeks Star Mr Castagna still thinks Poland only ride on Sundays, sadly not its now Fridays , Saturdays and Sundays. Poland this year have been trying and succeeding in flexing their muscles by restricting the trade of riders which participate in their league with a convenient silence from the F.I.M. It looks like they have friends at the F.I.M who now seem interested in insisting Britain relocate its league speedway to just 1 or 2 days.,in principle allowing Poland to have even more dates of their choice. Lets be honest we can't afford all these top riders anyway so I would tell the F.I.M to sling their hook.

And to concur I am fully in agreement with your opinion on Rory Schlien, A good servant to British speedway but when you represent one country , you cannot change your nationality

Edited June 24, 2017 by New Science

[Grachan]

I said from the word go Schlein should not have been anywhere near the British final, or semis for that matter.

British championship for British riders. Simple as that. It makes no odds whether Schlein has an ACU license or not. Rider completing in the British Championship should be allegable to ride for TeamGB in the SCW, and hold British passports.

Schlein has no interest in representing TeamGB and could have taken the British Wildcard for Cardiff. That would have been an utter disgrace.

Next year Brits only, with the top 6 guys seeded to the final. Two semis with five from each qualifying. That way Woffinden will have no excuse, Lambert will be seeded, and the lineup will be the best available to boost the attendance at the track and viewing figures.

Schlein does have a British passport according to what others have posted here.

 

If true, he qualifies to ride in the British Final using your own criteria.

 

Your crusade is a noble one Phil but don't expect anything positive to come from the F.I.M. What have they ever done for speedway ?.

Reading this weeks Star Mr Castagna still thinks Poland only ride on Sundays, sadly not its now Fridays , Saturdays and Sundays. Poland this year have been trying and succeeding in flexing their muscles by restricting the trade of riders which participate in their league with a convenient silence from the F.I.M. It looks like they have friends at the F.I.M who now seem interested in insisting Britain relocate its league speedway to just 1 or 2 days.,in principle allowing Poland to have even more dates of their choice. Lets be honest we can't afford all these top riders anyway so I would tell the F.I.M to sling their hook.

And to concur I am fully in agreement with your opinion on Rory Schlien, A good servant to British speedway but when you represent one country , you cannot change your nationality

 

You can change your nationality. The question which nobody seems to answer if whether or not Rory Schlein has, and is now riding as a British rider, or if he is still technically an Aussie.

[Vince]

I think it would be relatively easy to say that if you have represented another country at international level you can't ride in the British national championship. It does make a mockery of the title.

[OveFundinFan]

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We've mooted a British Open Championship in posts above, but we should remember we already have a British league riders championship, i.e. a championship for riders of any nationality riding in a British league. . No point in duplicating that.

 

 

A British Open Championship would be open to riders from anywhere, not just British, not just riders in the British League - but anyone....could be anyone ie NKI, Milik, Smolinski etc

[PHILIPRISING]

Childish habit? Is that something like starting every post in capital letters?

 

 

HAVE said before that I have done it all my professional life... letters, emails, etc.

 

Daily Express, Daily Mail, News of the World and Daily Telegraph not to mention various magazines including World Soccer didn't think it childish. In fact, it was compulsory.

[stevehone]

aside from Schlein riding in the British Final, didn't anyone find it silly that Daniel Bewley wasn't allowed to be reserve because he was deemed as 'too good'?!