szkocjasid Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 How does Musielak come in on his old EL ave of 4.53, but Kasprzak & Zengota get assesed averages because they didn't have Premiership averages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 How does Musielak come in on his old EL ave of 4.53, but Kasprzak & Zengota get assesed averages because they didn't have Premiership averages? Just to annoy you and to feed any conspiracy theorists! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 How does Musielak come in on his old EL ave of 4.53, but Kasprzak & Zengota get assesed averages because they didn't have Premiership averages?Because the bspa don't have a clue about averages and are making it up - badly - as they go along. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 How does Musielak come in on his old EL ave of 4.53, but Kasprzak & Zengota get assesed averages because they didn't have Premiership averages?Because it is now a 42 point limit and the 1.4 multiplier doesn't apply but if you don't have a old EL average is there a reduction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Because it is now a 42 point limit and the 1.4 multiplier doesn't apply but if you don't have a old EL average is there a reduction? I don't think there's a reduction....both Zengota and now Kasprzak reverted back to their old EL averages under the 42 point limit from what I can see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Because the bspa don't have a clue about averages and are making it up - badly - as they go along.God cant we have an average change at the last day of the month BPs included. With reserves moving up if average is higher than a main body member how hard is that the RULES are killing the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I don't think there's a reduction....both Zengota and now Kasprzak reverted back to their old EL averages under the 42 point limit from what I can see? Â Half right. Zengota has reverted back to his 2015 Elite League average and Watt is listed with his 2016 Elite League average. Musislak has come in on his 2015 Elite League average. Â However, Kasprazak is listed on the current averages as 9.23, which is neither his 2016 average (7.91), his 2017 teambuilding average (1.4x his 2016 average) (11.08) or his current 2017 average (6.44). Â It seems as if Kasprazak's average has been calculated by dividing his 2017 teambuilding average by 1.2. Â Go figure that one out! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Â Half right. Zengota has reverted back to his 2015 Elite League average and Watt is listed with his 2016 Elite League average. Musislak has come in on his 2015 Elite League average. Â However, Kasprazak is listed on the current averages as 9.23, which is neither his 2016 average (7.91), his 2017 teambuilding average (1.4x his 2016 average) (11.08) or his current 2017 average (6.44). Â It seems as if Kasprazak's average has been calculated by dividing his 2017 teambuilding average by 1.2. Â Go figure that one out! Â Â Take the first number you thought off, multiply by the number of riders in a race, divide by the number of laps he does, then multiply by the number of teeth on the back sprocket, when you have this sorted, you'll probably you'll be nearer to the truth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I don't think there's a reduction....both Zengota and now Kasprzak reverted back to their old EL averages under the 42 point limit from what I can see? Yes and now riders like Musliak has come in on their old EL average, the point is if a Championship rider comes to the EL and doesn't have an existing EL average he should get a reduction. What average has Ritchie Worrall come in on, his old EL average or his start of the season adjusted average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Yes and now riders like Musliak has come in on their old EL average, the point is if a Championship rider comes to the EL and doesn't have an existing EL average he should get a reduction. What average has Ritchie Worrall come in on, his old EL average or his start of the season adjusted average. From Championship to Premiership I believe is now a 1.2 coversion, which is probably why Kasprzak's average has the same conversion on his 2017 meetings to date as he hasn't done 4 home and 4 away to achieve a 'proper' 2017 average. Â Richie, I assume, will be on his Championship average/1.2 Edited July 12, 2017 by Reliant Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yes and now riders like Musliak has come in on their old EL average, the point is if a Championship rider comes to the EL and doesn't have an existing EL average he should get a reduction. What average has Ritchie Worrall come in on, his old EL average or his start of the season adjusted average. One would assume that its his EL average from last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 The powers that be know how much their customer base like playing team manager so you'd think they would just take a couple of minutes to detail how things are worked out. Â The fact they don't makes it easier to manipulate rider figures depending on who's asking which I think is wrong. It happened last year and I'm sure it will happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Â Half right. Zengota has reverted back to his 2015 Elite League average and Watt is listed with his 2016 Elite League average. Musislak has come in on his 2015 Elite League average. Â However, Kasprazak is listed on the current averages as 9.23, which is neither his 2016 average (7.91), his 2017 teambuilding average (1.4x his 2016 average) (11.08) or his current 2017 average (6.44). Â It seems as if Kasprazak's average has been calculated by dividing his 2017 teambuilding average by 1.2. Â Go figure that one out! Tbh the 1.2 (though really it should be a multiplier of 0.84) makes more sense than allowing riders in on old averages without a multiplier. But to use the hybrid system they are using (and dividing by 1.2 rather than using an 80% multiplier) just reeks of incompetence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Tbh the 1.2 (though really it should be a multiplier of 0.84) makes more sense than allowing riders in on old averages without a multiplier. But to use the hybrid system they are using (and dividing by 1.2 rather than using an 80% multiplier) just reeks of incompetence. How did they decide on 1.2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 How did they decide on 1.2?I presume because the cl is 80% as strong as the pl, and in their wisdom they thought dividing by 1.2 was the same as multiplying by 80% - it's the only explanation I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Â Shouldn't the answer be that they compared the averages of this year's doubling up riders and found they averaged 1.2 times more in the CL than the PL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Shouldn't the answer be that they compared the averages of this year's doubling up riders and found they averaged 1.2 times more in the CL than the PL?I would say no. Given old pl averages were used for both leagues and the leagues were built to 40 and 50 respectively then I would say it's fair to say the top flight is 25% harder and therefore multiplying/dividing by 0.8 (or1.25) to convert between leagues is correct. Is be amazed if the bspa endeavoured to use any kind of statistical analysis given their failure to do so when that was the obvious solution to the skewed heat format in previous years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) From Championship to Premiership I believe is now a 1.2 coversion, which is probably why Kasprzak's average has the same conversion on his 2017 meetings to date as he hasn't done 4 home and 4 away to achieve a 'proper' 2017 average. Â Richie, I assume, will be on his Championship average/1.2 So it seems you are correct for Worrall it is his championship average divided by 1.2 so why is his old EL average not used? If a rider who has a previous EL average like Musilak can come in on his old EL average then surely a rider like Worrall should come in on his old EL average. Edited July 13, 2017 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesR Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 So how do they get a 7.26 average for R Worrall? 8.71 divided by 1.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesR Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 I presume because the cl is 80% as strong as the pl, and in their wisdom they thought dividing by 1.2 was the same as multiplying by 80% - it's the only explanation I can think of. Goodness knows what their VAT return looks like!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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