Hunters Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Should have been a really tough battle between the top two but with Bewlay, Payne, Smith and Shuttleworth all missing it makes a mockery of the match. What on earth possessed B Vue to agree a fixture for both of their teams on the same day when they use some in both I can't even imagine. Mind you, I remember Poole coming to Eastbourne with only 2 riders and 4 guests all hand picked and winning by a country mile with Chris Holder in his prime getting 18. Should still be a tight match with Carr, Greenwood and of course Hopwood standing in but hardly a battle between the top two. I believe Dan Bewlay has still never ridden here which is a shame as I wanted to see how good he was on a smaller track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Should have been a really tough battle between the top two but with Bewlay, Payne, Smith and Shuttleworth all missing it makes a mockery of the match. What on earth possessed B Vue to agree a fixture for both of their teams on the same day when they use some in both I can't even imagine. Mind you, I remember Poole coming to Eastbourne with only 2 riders and 4 guests all hand picked and winning by a country mile with Chris Holder in his prime getting 18. Should still be a tight match with Carr, Greenwood and of course Hopwood standing in but hardly a battle between the top two. I believe Dan Bewlay has still never ridden here which is a shame as I wanted to see how good he was on a smaller track. Is a shame but still should be a really good match. Only plus side is if we do eventually play them in the koc or the playoffs, at least Bewley and the others missing still won't have experienced our tight track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Big shame for Eastbourne as this should have been a big crowd puller however with the mockery of guests etc it now looks quite flat. Has probably swung my decision to attend from very likely to very unlikely. Belle Vues team was always liable to have riders missing given so many double uppers but all 3 heat leaders is a bit of a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Total madness(re Bewley and Smith) there is only one Premiership team that rides on a Saturday night and out of all the Saturday nights in a season they arrange for us to visit Eastbourne on the same night crazy crazy this should have been one of the most attractive fixtures of the year and now it has been turned into a joke.Whoever sorted the fixture lists this year wants to be kicked out of the door as this sort of mess is happening far to often this season and can only damage our great sport. Edited June 17, 2017 by B.V 72 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Total madness(re Bewley and Smith) there is only one championship team that rides on a Saturday night and out of all the Saturday nights in a season they arrange for us to visit Eastbourne on the same night crazy crazy this should have been one of the most attractive fixtures of the year and now it has been turned into a joke.Whoever sorted the fixture lists this year wants to be kicked out of the door as this sort of mess is happening far to often this season and can only damage our great sport. Yup. Payne & Shuttleworth fair enough as injuries can happen at any time. Also not the best planning to have a home match on the friday then away to Eastbourne on the Sat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 The fixtures were completed before Belle Vue Speedway 2017 was up and running. However they should have complained straight away and insisted on moving the fixtures. In fact Belle Vue are racing in 3 matches on Saturday since a Belle Vue select is racing at Berwick for Kevin Doolan's testimonial. that makes 2 Belle Vue selects riding on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Big shame for Eastbourne as this should have been a big crowd puller however with the mockery of guests etc it now looks quite flat. Has probably swung my decision to attend from very likely to very unlikely. Belle Vues team was always liable to have riders missing given so many double uppers but all 3 heat leaders is a bit of a joke. it is a shame with bad planning of the fixture, but don't think it'll make a too much difference to the crowd and it will still be a good attendance, 4 of us are going especially as it seems a long time without speedway at Arlington and no chance of rain. With the guests they have should still provide an exciting match, and a lot of fans will want to see Tom at No.1.Hopefully if we take all the points it's still closing the gap on them, whoever rides in BV team. Edited June 16, 2017 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) The fixtures were completed before Belle Vue Speedway 2017 was up and running. However they should have complained straight away and insisted on moving the fixtures. In fact Belle Vue are racing in 3 matches on Saturday since a Belle Vue select is racing at Berwick for Kevin Doolan's testimonial. that makes 2 Belle Vue selects riding on Saturday 3 when you include the one at Leicester..😁 Edited June 16, 2017 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Genius fixture planning once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 An exciting meeting on paper ruined by unavailabilty. Bates was shocking and hampshire looked terrified of the track. Colts look good with a full team as lads rode well out of position tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 The fixtures were completed before Belle Vue Speedway 2017 was up and running. However they should have complained straight away and insisted on moving the fixtures. In fact Belle Vue are racing in 3 matches on Saturday since a Belle Vue select is racing at Berwick for Kevin Doolan's testimonial. that makes 2 Belle Vue selects riding on Saturday The away team can only request a change (they cant insist) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moleman27 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 It was that first one from Taylor why he was probably scared, made a great start but ended up abit wobbly. It shows he is still lacking confidence, but think somewhere like Eastbourne would do him great help, as actually looked like Charley abit when he started last year, has the speed if he uses it, but it just abit everywhere. Definitely see improvement in Taylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 I thought Hampshire showed a lot of promise and would like to see him in the reserve slot permanently. Arlington is a daunting track for first appearance. It was also Luke Woodhull's first visit and including the second half Hampshire beat him 3-0. I was a little disappointed in Kyle Bickley, got his 6 points from the Hapless Bates(2), Hampshire(2) and his own team mates(2).Last year he pushed Brennan into second place in the youth championship so I thought a good battle would ensue but Tom was way ahead beating Greenwood as well. Can only put it down to the track experience but it will be very interesting to see if Bickley gets his revenge at B Vue in Sept . Bates had one of those nights, had a go but fell twice, the penalty for being an out and out racer? He also seemed to be having more machine problems but everyone has a bad day at the office. Tom stood up to No 1 well, partnering Baseby and Knight meant he was always fighting for 2nd place. He pushed both Carr and Hopwood all the way and had his reward in heat 13 beating Hopwood and almost Carr. Looked like he had got under him coming out of bend 2 on the final lap but was only level with Carr's back wheel, Greenwood was no problem to him. Jake was a shot in the arm, I noticed after a while that he never put his foot on the ground after leaving the tapes. Usually its foot down going in and back coming out of a bend. He flew into the bend with out using his left leg, tremendous balance and saves on steel shoes, he doesn't need one.t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 It was that first one from Taylor why he was probably scared, made a great start but ended up abit wobbly. It shows he is still lacking confidence, but think somewhere like Eastbourne would do him great help, as actually looked like Charley abit when he started last year, has the speed if he uses it, but it just abit everywhere. Definitely see improvement in Taylor. Thought exactly the same, and was actually really impressed how he adapted, the extra rides in the second half helped as well. Definitely worth keeping, he has the speed and can only get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 The fixtures were completed before Belle Vue Speedway 2017 was up and running. However they should have complained straight away and insisted on moving the fixtures. Was talking to a guy at Lakeside about this. He was saying the same thing about the fixtures being put in during the time the BSPA (Chapman) were looking after Belle Vue, and before the BSPA had made their choice on who to give the new Belle Vue franchise to. As soon as the new BV promotion took over, they contacted all the other promoters where there was a clash of dates to ask for a switch. Lakeside readily agreed to change, as did (I think) Isle of Wight, (There may have been one other). But Eastbourne and Birmingham refused point blank to change dates. It seems it's down to the hosting club to agree or not to a change of dates. They can either go the Lakeside and IOW route of changing date to ensure their fans get to see a full-strength visiting team (but possibly risk losing to that strong team), or they can go the Eastbourne/Birmingham win-at-all-costs route of guaranteeing a win against weakened opposition but denying their fans the chance to see the genuine opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Was talking to a guy at Lakeside about this. He was saying the same thing about the fixtures being put in during the time the BSPA (Chapman) were looking after Belle Vue, and before the BSPA had made their choice on who to give the new Belle Vue franchise to. As soon as the new BV promotion took over, they contacted all the other promoters where there was a clash of dates to ask for a switch. Lakeside readily agreed to change, as did (I think) Isle of Wight, (There may have been one other). But Eastbourne and Birmingham refused point blank to change dates. It seems it's down to the hosting club to agree or not to a change of dates. They can either go the Lakeside and IOW route of changing date to ensure their fans get to see a full-strength visiting team (but possibly risk losing to that strong team), or they can go the Eastbourne/Birmingham win-at-all-costs route of guaranteeing a win against weakened opposition but denying their fans the chance to see the genuine opposition. Yeah, you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Was talking to a guy at Lakeside about this. He was saying the same thing about the fixtures being put in during the time the BSPA (Chapman) were looking after Belle Vue, and before the BSPA had made their choice on who to give the new Belle Vue franchise to. As soon as the new BV promotion took over, they contacted all the other promoters where there was a clash of dates to ask for a switch. Lakeside readily agreed to change, as did (I think) Isle of Wight, (There may have been one other). But Eastbourne and Birmingham refused point blank to change dates. It seems it's down to the hosting club to agree or not to a change of dates. They can either go the Lakeside and IOW route of changing date to ensure their fans get to see a full-strength visiting team (but possibly risk losing to that strong team), or they can go the Eastbourne/Birmingham win-at-all-costs route of guaranteeing a win against weakened opposition but denying their fans the chance to see the genuine opposition. What a pleasant fellow you are, after the Hurry affair you should stop digging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 It happens in the top division to, which is annoying as we always accommodate changes. Bigger picture and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) With the fixtures, running on a Saturday which as from experience is the only viable night for Eastie to run, arranging the home fixtures is and always has been a nightmare to sort with trying as much as possible not to run the same night as a gp, and especially with nl riders avoiding weekend grass track meetings as we have 2/3 riders regularly doing national and European meetings. I supposed having sorted a date for the meeting in between a gp and grass tracks, was probably impossible to rearrange. Also with Smith and Bewley riding for 3 teams an alternative date may have been impossible anyway on a Saturday. Obviously one couldn't forsee the injuries to the other 2 , but can understand why Eastie wouldn't alter the fixture. Edited June 19, 2017 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Was talking to a guy at Lakeside about this. He was saying the same thing about the fixtures being put in during the time the BSPA (Chapman) were looking after Belle Vue, and before the BSPA had made their choice on who to give the new Belle Vue franchise to. As soon as the new BV promotion took over, they contacted all the other promoters where there was a clash of dates to ask for a switch. Lakeside readily agreed to change, as did (I think) Isle of Wight, (There may have been one other). But Eastbourne and Birmingham refused point blank to change dates. It seems it's down to the hosting club to agree or not to a change of dates. They can either go the Lakeside and IOW route of changing date to ensure their fans get to see a full-strength visiting team (but possibly risk losing to that strong team), or they can go the Eastbourne/Birmingham win-at-all-costs route of guaranteeing a win against weakened opposition but denying their fans the chance to see the genuine opposition. Who was this 'guy' at Lakeside? A BSPA insider? I assume he also was privy to the conversations had with Eastbourne and Birmingham, did he hear the reasons given or was this just hearsay from some 'guy' that he met somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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