EnglishRoundabout Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 I was with my 13 year old son at the stall selling tee shirts and saw Martin Ashby stood close by. "That's Martin Ashby there," I said to him. "Where?" "There. In the black leather jacket," I said. "That guy there?" he asked. "Yeah." "But he just looks like a normal guy," said the boy, somewhat "Well he isn't" I said. Not sure what he was expecting. Not a "normal guy" apparently. You are right, he wasn't/isn't a normal guy. Perhaps if he was wearing superhero T shirt bought from the stall, that would be a more appropriate description of him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Top man was Martin. I'll never forget his efforts while guesting for the dons after we lost Tommy in 1976. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 They have to sort the schedule out better as fans do get out of the habit when there is large gaps between meetings. I know Swindon wanted to hold back home meetings so they could have them on their invisible new track but it gets worse with every passing season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Martin is not normal, he is a God from the small town of Marlborough. Can recall when I went into his workshop by The Roebuck, quiet, unassuming, bloody nice chap, always has time for a chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Why would Morris give away point money ?a crazy statement if so why didnt Morris go wide and let him through on the inside?Kennett had to take huge risks to pass Morris also didnt Morris try everything to pass Nicholls in one race. How do you know that he was going to lose points money? It was fairly obvious to me that that there was a different attitude from our riders once they had a big enough lead. As our averages were dependent on that meeting & crucial for any team rebuilding, what's to say that they weren't paid for the points lost in the team interest. I don't know that there is any audit of the rider's wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 How do you know that he was going to lose points money? It was fairly obvious to me that that there was a different attitude from our riders once they had a big enough lead. As our averages were dependent on that meeting & crucial for any team rebuilding, what's to say that they weren't paid for the points lost in the team interest. I don't know that there is any audit of the rider's wages.Are you saying this is the norm riders throwing points away if so it is very worrying.We know the sport is in the rubbish but now with these pathetic rules and averages in place it now is becoming a joke.All i want to see is a 1/7 team do its best and entertain us not fanny about just to make another change when the new averages are out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Are you saying this is the norm riders throwing points away if so it is very worrying.We know the sport is in the rubbish but now with these pathetic rules and averages in place it now is becoming a joke.All i want to see is a 1/7 team do its best and entertain us not fanny about just to make another change when the new averages are out. How long have you been watching speedway ..people dropping points so teams can bring in other riders Has been going on for donkeys years ..but somehow you are amazed and shocked .wake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) How long have you been watching speedway ..people dropping points so teams can bring in other riders Has been going on for donkeys years ..but somehow you are amazed and shocked .wake upNot shocked at all does it make it right ? it has been going on for donkeys years now it is likely to happen even more than ever now with the rules/ averages in place.By the way have you ever woken up you dumbass.😂 Edited June 16, 2017 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Don't make it right but it happens.The fans can't do sweet *uck all Edited June 16, 2017 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) How long have you been watching speedway ..people dropping points so teams can bring in other riders Has been going on for donkeys years ..but somehow you are amazed and shocked .wake upClassic case was Poole when even Leigh Adams came out & said they were cheating. He recalled riders virtually calling Opposition riders past. There was an outcry & the Speedway Control Board held an "enquiry"! The only people they questioned were Poole riders & management, a bit like a Court Trial where only the defendant was questioned & there was no prosecutor's questions! Edited June 17, 2017 by DunRobin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Classic case was Poole when even Leigh Adams came out & said they were cheating. He recalled riders virtually calling Opposition riders past. There was an outcry & the Speedway Control Board held an "enquiry"! The only people they questioned were Poole riders & management, a bit like a Court Trial where only the defendant was questioned & there was no prosecutor's questions! Reminds me of the "Joe Screen incident" at Blunsdon when he and others in the Poole team were clearly trying not to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Reminds me of the "Joe Screen incident" at Blunsdon when he and others in the Poole team were clearly trying not to win. Didn't Poole have something like 7 "engine failures " that night? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Didn't Poole have something like 7 "engine failures " that night? You were there too - what a night - and not in a good way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Reminds me of the "Joe Screen incident" at Blunsdon when he and others in the Poole team were clearly trying not to win. all teams do it and its sadly part and parcel of the sport and hard to proved and even if did have the prove they are hardly likely to act on it.this is what happens when you have a sport that rewards you for doing poorly . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 You were there too - what a night - and not in a good way! I was indeed, Leigh Adams was interviewed after the meeting and openly stated how suspicious the Poole antics had been all night with their so called "engine failures". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 The problem is, that speedway is a sport where the promoters make the rules. An independent body is needed to oversee fair play, but it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Anyone who thinks certain riders don't lose on purpose is deluded. I heard a story about a PL number one who was looking to reduce his average for the following season. Five "engine failures", but the promoter paid as if it was a maximum. This was confirmed to me by the gentleman himself a few years later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) What gets forgotten in this situation it's the paying public who are defrauded when and if this happens. It's one of the many reasons why people decide the sport isn't worth the money and why most journalists steer well clear. The fact that people accept is part of the sport is frankly quite chilling. Edited June 18, 2017 by Rob McCaffery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Diving in football, dodgy betting on horse racing, doping in cycling, team orders in F1, cricket matches thrown in far eastern betting scams, "bloodgate" in rugby ......... i'm sure most journalists steer clear of speedway is because it's run by incompetents who think its still 1956 and act accordingly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Chilling? Lol how OTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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