BenR195 Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 U would have been 24-37 down after heat 10 sorry there is no way on the night Redcar bears were going to get 5 5-1's Sorry was just not going to happen They should have walked bikes round in heat 10 no noise at all then it would have been abandoned anyway Although it was unlikely we would of got 5 5-1s, it was still mathematically possible, that is all I'm saying, the rule states mathematically possible, not whether we were likely to win or not What rules are we bending pray tell. We lodged an appeal with SCB and we got the decision in or favour that's it in a nutshell really. The mathematically possible rule, although very unlikely, it was still mathematically possible for Redcar to win the meeting, so that rule was bent coz the statement said we couldn't of caught up, but like I've said, Glasgow deserved the win and if they had awarded the win on the night it wouldn't of been a problem, it's the fact that it got abandoned and vatcher said it would need to be re ran for him to change his mind 5 days later is where the problem lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 mathematicaly being the key word in this debate . if it was still posable the meeting should have been re run.then just because a football team is bottom of the premier league at christmas , does not mean it will be out of the pl come the end of the season .. MATHEMATICALY .. anything is posable . i just wonder if glasgow sneak into the playoffs in 4th place by a point . will thatcher vatcher be able tosleep knowing he has boobood in his decision way back in April ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 So to summarise: A major crash happened in the rerun of ht10 The sole Redcar rider was excluded by the ref with the heat less than a lap short of being able to award the race The subsequent rerun would have had 2 Glasgow riders only Had they both suffered EF's the score would still have been 24-32 Redcar had already used their TR A meeting result can be called after ht10 where it is cut short, in this case the 10pm curfew Ht10 at the third attempt was 60 seconds from completion There is provision in the rules for exceptional circumstances which has been applied in this case. Incorrect. There is no prevision in the rules. If this interpretation is to be followed then you would have a whole raft of 'awarded' meetings. Example . Team is 14 behind after heat 7 when the heavens open.. Under this ruling the match should be awarded as it wasn't mathematically possible for them to catch up by Heat 10. Utter nonsense. The mathematically possible relates to a 15 heat meeting. The 10 heat issue is a different rule. This meeting didn't complete ten heats, so it is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Although it was unlikely we would of got 5 5-1s, it was still mathematically possible, that is all I'm saying, the rule states mathematically possible, not whether we were likely to win or not The mathematically possible rule, although very unlikely, it was still mathematically possible for Redcar to win the meeting, so that rule was bent coz the statement said we couldn't of caught up, but like I've said, Glasgow deserved the win and if they had awarded the win on the night it wouldn't of been a problem, it's the fact that it got abandoned and vatcher said it would need to be re ran for him to change his mind 5 days later is where the problem lies But there is no problem the appeal has been upheld and we have no problem with that. But you are correct Glasgow would have won the meeting on the night if it had went the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) The rule itself is fine. It's the interpretation that it can be applied to the result after 10 heats rather than 15 which is the issue. Exactly and it's an utter nonsense to suggest it can. Edited June 7, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) Thought this was the month of June Jenga Edited June 7, 2017 by MANSE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 mathematicaly being the key word in this debate . if it was still posable the meeting should have been re run.then just because a football team is bottom of the premier league at christmas , does not mean it will be out of the pl come the end of the season .. MATHEMATICALY .. anything is posable . i just wonder if glasgow sneak into the playoffs in 4th place by a point . will thatcher vatcher be able tosleep knowing he has boobood in his decision way back in April ? Like a baby he will sleep. Get over it you would think you were personally mugged the way you ramble on about everything and anything. You waffle about everything except your own team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Bear Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 A number of Redcar fans wrote to Herr.Vatcher for his reasoning etc. No doubt from his replies the man is a total prat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 A number of Redcar fans wrote to Herr.Vatcher for his reasoning etc. No doubt from his replies the man is a total prat I quite like him actually don't know why but seems a very decent sort of a bloke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 I quite like him actually don't know why but seems a very decent sort of a bloke. Just inept at his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tigerman Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) Jeez, can't you answer straight forward questions? So much anger, c'mon feel the love, you know you want to xx Edited June 7, 2017 by Red Tigerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowGuy Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Agreed. It sets a very dangerous precedent. Heat 10 had not been concluded. How long before a meeting is awarded that only takes place over 8 or 7 or even 6 races? You can argue that Redcar had no riders left in Heat 10. But you could also argue that five 5-1s to Redcar in Heats 11 to 15 and the final score would be 49-42. There’s a clear cut-off of 10 races. If that’s not reached, then the only other way a result should be awarded is if a team could not be caught over 15 races, not 10 races. For example, if the scoreline was 45-9 after nine races, that could be awarded. Nothing was settled in the Redcar v Glasgow match. It should be re-run. All the best Rob Rob, in the normal course of events I'd absolutely agree with you, however the significant difference here is that due to Redcar 's operational curfew there was no mathematical prospect of the home side recovering the scoreline. In the interests of the sport, and in this specific case Glasgow's, are we really suggesting that a team's superiority over the opening 9 heats (should have been 10) should then have been nullified by the tactical gamesmanship of the home camp - in this case the fence was repaired a full 30 mins before curfew as indicated by the referee sounding the 2 minute warning for re-run of heat 10, no concern was raised over the fallen riders (both of whom had been assessed before walking unaided back to the pits and neither of whom were displaying any concerning symptoms or seeking medical attention afterwards) - who was to gain anything by then resorting to questionable tactics to run down the final 30 minutes? Am NOT having a go at you, just using your post (lucky you!) to make my contribution here. The more people want to know EXACTLY what happened and why, the less they are likely to hear it. Let's give credit where it is due, the SCB will have been presented with the facts, and that's what they've used to arrive at their - correct in my view - decision. It remains my belief that the Redcar promotion are being entirely disingenuous, for their own face saving reasons, with their own supporters. Like a baby he will sleep. Get over it you would think you were personally mugged the way you ramble on about everything and anything. You waffle about everything except your own team. Let's see if he attempts to do that this weekend! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Rob, in the normal course of events I'd absolutely agree with you, however the significant difference here is that due to Redcar 's operational curfew there was no mathematical prospect of the home side recovering the scoreline. In the interests of the sport, and in this specific case Glasgow's, are we really suggesting that a team's superiority over the opening 9 heats (should have been 10) should then have been nullified by the tactical gamesmanship of the home camp - in this case the fence was repaired a full 30 mins before curfew as indicated by the referee sounding the 2 minute warning for re-run of heat 10, no concern was raised over the fallen riders (both of whom had been assessed before walking unaided back to the pits and neither of whom were displaying any concerning symptoms or seeking medical attention afterwards) - who was to gain anything by then resorting to questionable tactics to run down the final 30 minutes? Am NOT having a go at you, just using your post (lucky you!) to make my contribution here. The more people want to know EXACTLY what happened and why, the less they are likely to hear it. Let's give credit where it is due, the SCB will have been presented with the facts, and that's what they've used to arrive at their - correct in my view - decision. It remains my belief that the Redcar promotion are being entirely disingenuous, for their own face saving reasons, with their own supporters. Let's see if he attempts to do that this weekend! Spot on. I tired to say something similar in an earlier post but this makes it a lot clearer. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeyin Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 I think this subject has been done to death. Let's leave it and look forward to the next meeting and hope that it is a good one with a large crowd , cracking racing and without incidents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erimus11 Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 So much anger, c'mon feel the love, you know you want to xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) Thought this was the month of June Jenga have i mucked it up , date wise ? aahhh, see it now . sorrry peeps .. its an age thing ya know .. sometime the hand is quicker than the brain and the eyes ! Edited June 7, 2017 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Kevin Keay again just been on the radio here - and again stating it was the medics who were concerned about Coty's wellbeing. No matter what you may think, the Redcar promotion have no sway over what the medics do. Entirely plausible that Coty felt fine for a short while after the crash - no doubt the adrenaline had kicked in and then after a period of sat around for 30 minutes not doing anything took a turn for the worse. Anyway, it sounded like Kev has not thrown the towel in and has presented a solicitor with the rule book today so who knows what will happen next. It does sound like he is already considering his future in the sport which would be a massive shame after al lthe good work he has done here in a few short months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Rob, in the normal course of events I'd absolutely agree with you, however the significant difference here is that due to Redcar 's operational curfew there was no mathematical prospect of the home side recovering the scoreline. As per the rules of the sport, irrelevant. Anyway, it sounded like Kev has not thrown the towel in and has presented a solicitor with the rule book today so who knows what will happen next. It does sound like he is already considering his future in the sport which would be a massive shame after al lthe good work he has done here in a few short months. And so he should, legally the SCB haven't a leg to stand on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Sprocket Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Kevin Keay again just been on the radio here - and again stating it was the medics who were concerned about Coty's wellbeing. No matter what you may think, the Redcar promotion have no sway over what the medics do. Entirely plausible that Coty felt fine for a short while after the crash - no doubt the adrenaline had kicked in and then after a period of sat around for 30 minutes not doing anything took a turn for the worse. Anyway, it sounded like Kev has not thrown the towel in and has presented a solicitor with the rule book today so who knows what will happen next. It does sound like he is already considering his future in the sport which would be a massive shame after al lthe good work he has done here in a few short months. Kevin Keay on BBC Tees, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p053rq7x#play 41 mins in to the programme. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Kevin Keay again just been on the radio here - and again stating it was the medics who were concerned about Coty's wellbeing. No matter what you may think, the Redcar promotion have no sway over what the medics do. Entirely plausible that Coty felt fine for a short while after the crash - no doubt the adrenaline had kicked in and then after a period of sat around for 30 minutes not doing anything took a turn for the worse. Anyway, it sounded like Kev has not thrown the towel in and has presented a solicitor with the rule book today so who knows what will happen next. It does sound like he is already considering his future in the sport which would be a massive shame after al lthe good work he has done here in a few short months. Sorry to hear that he is considering his future but it may be down to the frustration of the SCB ruling , wether paying money to a solicitor is the way to go is really his decision , it may well be a case of throwing good money after bad as i can't see the decision being changed again there ball and all that just my thoughts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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