Points Awarded !

[GS550]

Don't mind seeing Glasgow get another four points but not so sure about awarding matches like this.

 

Consistency in decision making etc, and I agree it creates a precedent.

 

Personally I was more bothered about Coty's wellbeing and when it comes down to it an injured rider will always be more important than points, just how I see it.

[oldywonkenoldi]

Lets bring up another talking point, will nothing be decided about a referee who wrongly excluded a Redcar rider in heat 10, when everyone at the meeting seen it was the Glasgow rider who was the cause of the stoppage, video and photographic evidence proves this, so if the correct decision had been made, race off would have been one rider from each team, and if the Glasgow rider had not finished the gap was now down to 5 points, Redcar could! have won the remaining 5 heats therefore the score may have been 52 -40 to Redcar, but now wait for a washout after 0ne heat when the meeting may be Vatcherized.

[MANSE]

Also what happened between 9 and 10 PM Was second ambulance requested who took GARCIA to hospital. Various questions need to be answered Jenga will have the answers

Edited June 6, 2017 by MANSE

[Arson fire]

Is it still...

if a result is declared at heat 10 punters get no refund, yet if a meeting is abandonded at heat 5, they dont get a full refund??

[Norfolk Bear]

No need to run any meetings, just send the programmes to be Vatchered , result complete, no injuries,no engine failures,no money to pay out , Maybe it could be a computer game .. VATCHERSWAY

[screm]

I applaud this decision, I am sure that on the night the health and well being of Coty Garcia was upper most in everyone's mind, but lets face it a situation presented itself to Redcar where they could delay a meeting with the chance of getting an abandonment and Glasgow back to face a stronger Redcar team on a later date. I don't blame Redcar for trying, any promotion would, but the correct decision has been made IMO.

[Fromafar]

I applaud this decision, I am sure that on the night the health and well being of Coty Garcia was upper most in everyone's mind, but lets face it a situation presented itself to Redcar where they could delay a meeting with the chance of getting an abandonment and Glasgow back to face a stronger Redcar team on a later date. I don't blame Redcar for trying, any promotion would, but the correct decision has been made IMO.

You have lost the plot on that one,it's the rules of the sport just being overridden again that is the problem, not anything the you think the Redcar management were trying to do.

[StevePark]

Because they are not the rule makers- the SCB are. The management committee can rule on those things where MC discretion is stated.

 

So what do the BSPA vote on at the AGM ?

Edited June 6, 2017 by Steve Park

[mac101]

when you had a Glasgow rider and their manager making a attempt at fixing the fence when the rest were standing looking at it then saying there was maybe 4 burst airbags when they only had 2 spare but somehow still managed to get it fixed and when the medics came over to Coty and Richard straight after they got back into the pits and both said they were ok and did not need anything but Coty did say he only had a sore ankle but nothing to bother about because he was moving it freely I was helping Coty in the pits at this time then the ref asked for the medics to take there place back on the track the next minute Coty is being led into the ambulance by the team manager everybody in the pits then new what was going to happen the track ambulance took him to the hospital after the meeting where he sat for hours before seeing anyone they X-rayed his ankle nothing broken then let out

[GS550]

when you had a Glasgow rider and their manager making a attempt at fixing the fence when the rest were standing looking at it then saying there was maybe 4 burst airbags when they only had 2 spare but somehow still managed to get it fixed and when the medics came over to Coty and Richard straight after they got back into the pits and both said they were ok and did not need anything but Coty did say he only had a sore ankle but nothing to bother about because he was moving it freely I was helping Coty in the pits at this time then the ref asked for the medics to take there place back on the track the next minute Coty is being led into the ambulance by the team manager everybody in the pits then new what was going to happen the track ambulance took him to the hospital after the meeting where he sat for hours before seeing anyone they X-rayed his ankle nothing broken then let out

 

As the saying goes 'the truth will out'. Looks like it just has done. Waow.

[Yearbyred]

when you had a Glasgow rider and their manager making a attempt at fixing the fence when the rest were standing looking at it then saying there was maybe 4 burst airbags when they only had 2 spare but somehow still managed to get it fixed and when the medics came over to Coty and Richard straight after they got back into the pits and both said they were ok and did not need anything but Coty did say he only had a sore ankle but nothing to bother about because he was moving it freely I was helping Coty in the pits at this time then the ref asked for the medics to take there place back on the track the next minute Coty is being led into the ambulance by the team manager everybody in the pits then new what was going to happen the track ambulance took him to the hospital after the meeting where he sat for hours before seeing anyone they X-rayed his ankle nothing broken then let out

 

I can't comment on some of that but the initial part of the statement is totally and utterly incorrect.

 

I went round to watch the air fence and fence behind being repaired and there were 10-15 people frantically working to repair both. Track staff, starting marshall and lots of others from Redcar.

 

Four panels were damaged , three spare panels were available (as per regulations) and the main damage was to the fence behind. There was a stadium announcement for the track electrician to bring his drill to assist with repairs. An additional panel was moved to fill in the gap.

 

Work was being carried out all of the time. Yes Worrall came over and helped for a few minutes at the end but the Glasgow officials spent most of the time chatting with the Ref.

 

Can't comment on the pits comments - but the accusations re the fence are TOTALLY FALSE.

Edited June 6, 2017 by Yearbyred

[Halifaxtiger]

Don't mind seeing Glasgow get another four points but not so sure about awarding matches like this.

 

Consistency in decision making etc, and I agree it creates a precedent.

 

Personally I was more bothered about Coty's wellbeing and when it comes down to it an injured rider will always be more important than points, just how I see it.

 

I think its the right decision, and that's without any underhand tactics that may (or may not) have taken place.

 

There is a case to be made either way (elsewhere someone has said that we should stand in Redcar's shoes, but we should also stand in Glasgow's) so someone has to determine what the outcome will be and clearly some aren't going to be happy whatever happens. That is how it is in the majority of court litigation.

 

Even if I disagreed with the conclusion, it still remains reasonable in the circumstances and has been fully explained. We can't ask for more than that so I give Neil Vatcher a bit of credit.

 

It stands in contrast to some of the appalling, secret (and not so secret) decisions that have been made regarding NL averages this season. No explanation for why riders can ride and why they can't, teams (and fans) just have to accept it. When we descend to that (and, lets face it, we have had quite a lot of it) that we have every right to be angry and frustrated - much less so here.

 

However, you make a very important point : it has to set a precedent. If it does not - and history suggests it won't - then it has no credibility whatsoever.

 

One final point : I certainly accept that Redcar has stepped up big this season. Better team, better track, better (and that's a minor understatement) customer care. That cannot, however, have any bearing on any ruling made.

[mac101]

I can't comment on some of that but the initial part of the statement is totally and utterly incorrect.

 

I went round to watch the air fence and fence behind being repaired and there were 10-15 people frantically working to repair both. Track staff, starting marshall and lots of others from Redcar.

 

Four panels were damaged , three spare panels were available (as per regulations) and the main damage was to the fence behind. There was a stadium announcement for the track electrician to bring his drill to assist with repairs. An additional panel was moved to fill in the gap.

 

Work was being carried out all of the time. Yes Worrall came over and helped for a few minutes at the end but the Glasgow officials spent most of the time chatting with the Ref.

 

Can't comment on the pits comments - but the accusations re the fence are TOTALLY FALSE.

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That's what it looked like from the pits area Richie was there for a good while helping ,the ref also came down when Coty was taken into the ambulance but the medics just closed the door on him and shut the blinds so no one could see inside and it stayed like that till the ambulance left where one of the medics stopped in car park to take his car out the carpark andhave a cigarette while Coty was still in it so he was not in a rush lol

Edited June 6, 2017 by mac101

[Yearbyred]

"That's what it looked like from the Pits area"

 

You stated , as fact, that Glasgow personnel were trying to fix the fence when Redcar officials were just standing around.

 

I'm telling you that is not anywhere near the truth and yet some are taking your information as facts, when they are just your opinion .

 

As for the comments about the medics you seem to be questioning their professional integrity.

[northyorksbear]

l

 

That's what it looked like from the pits area Richie was there for a good while helping ,the ref also came down when Coty was taken into the ambulance but the medics just closed the door on him and shut the blinds so no one could see inside and it stayed like that till the ambulance left where one of the medics stopped in car park to take his car out the carpark andhave a cigarette while Coty was still in it so he was not in a rush lol

 

So your first hand witness statement is actually based on what it looked like from around 100m away and I assume from your quote "the rest were standing looking at it then saying there was maybe 4 burst airbags when they only had 2 spare" you couldn't actually hear this comment from your vantage point in the pits! When in fact everyone in the crowd was actually told it was 3 bags they had, as per the regulations, and yes it was 3 MAYBE 4 which turned out to be the 3.

 

And your final key conspiracy theory is that whilst an individual is receiving medical attention, he is offered privacy by closing blinds and only medical staff allowed access - next time you visit the doctor let them examine you in the waiting room, then everyone can be quite sure you aren't wasting their time!!

 

Just for full transparency, remind us which team you support?

[erimus11]

when you had a Glasgow rider and their manager making a attempt at fixing the fence when the rest were standing looking at it then saying there was maybe 4 burst airbags when they only had 2 spare but somehow still managed to get it fixed and when the medics came over to Coty and Richard straight after they got back into the pits and both said they were ok and did not need anything but Coty did say he only had a sore ankle but nothing to bother about because he was moving it freely I was helping Coty in the pits at this time then the ref asked for the medics to take there place back on the track the next minute Coty is being led into the ambulance by the team manager everybody in the pits then new what was going to happen the track ambulance took him to the hospital after the meeting where he sat for hours before seeing anyone they X-rayed his ankle nothing broken then let out

Is there a shortage of commas, full stops and paragraphs where you live?

[GS550]

Is there a shortage of commas, full stops and paragraphs where you live?

 

Is there an abundance of impertinence where you live?

[Red Tigerman]

Is there a shortage of commas, full stops and paragraphs where you live?

In one sentence the character of this poster is laid bare.

[mac101]

"That's what it looked like from the Pits area"

You stated , as fact, that Glasgow personnel were trying to fix the fence when Redcar officials were just standing around.

I'm telling you that is not anywhere near the truth and yet some are taking your information as facts, when they are just your opinion .

As for the comments about the medics you seem to be questioning their professional integrity.

Stewart and Richie were both helping to fix the fence were they not and the medics should not have stopped and had a cigarette outside the track while Coty was seemingly badly injured in the back

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

Stewart and Richie were both helping to fix the fence were they not and the medics should not have stopped and had a cigarette outside the track while Coty was seemingly badly injured in the back

So you was helping Coty in the pits, you've said previously he went to hospital with an ankle injury and got that xrayed yet it's common knowledge that it was his back and neck and now you are saying he was seemingly badly injured in the back?

GIVE IT A REST MATE you're making it up as you go along