Star Lady Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Tomasz Piszcz and Hans Andersen are another couple of riders. I could produce a big, long list of them, but what's the point. 14 or 28 days are clearly both options. Facility to Scunthorpe was for 28 days. Rider can return (to same club) after 14 days. All the best Rob Thanks for the reply. It actually does nothing to improve my view of the way the sport is run. I think I'll leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 ever since this new management committee took charge a couple of seasons ago, speedways rules (or lack of them) I should say, is making British speedway a laughing stock. problem I see now is its so self interest. bring back someone with "balls" consistency does not apply to the bspa anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 But it's not the way it's always worked, is it? How many days was Henka Gustafsson banned for in 2005? Simply answer me that question. It will give you a clue how long a 14-day-ban has been in place. All the best Rob Tomasz Piszcz and Hans Andersen are another couple of riders. I could produce a big, long list of them, but what's the point. 14 or 28 days are clearly both options. Facility to Scunthorpe was for 28 days. Rider can return (to same club) after 14 days. All the best Rob Piszcz and Gustafsson both got 14 days ban for riding in their home countries leagues so there appears to have been some consistency there. As for Hans, I'm sure he was given 28 days but on appeal brought down to 14 because he wasn't being paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Piszcz and Gustafsson both got 14 days ban for riding in their home countries leagues so there appears to have been some consistency there. As for Hans, I'm sure he was given 28 days but on appeal brought down to 14 because he wasn't being paid. So you're now admitting that there has been a 14-day ban option all along Yes, for Andersen, I believe it was initially announced as 28 days, than reduced to 14, because the rider was willing and able to return. So another precedent in terms of what has happened with Josh Auty. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Going by what I have read on here, it could be a similar situation for JPB at Sheffield & Birmingham. Sheffield invoked the 28 day guest rule although with JPB being a 2.00 point rider choices are minimal & mostly NDL riders only. If he then wishes to return to Sheffield(if they want him back as Tom Brennan turning 16 at end of June might be a better option) he will only serve a 14 day ban thus enabling him to ride for Sheffield & Birmingham after the 16th June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) So you're now admitting that there has been a 14-day ban option all along Yes, for Andersen, I believe it was initially announced as 28 days, than reduced to 14, because the rider was willing and able to return. So another precedent in terms of what has happened with Josh Auty. All the best Rob Hans signed for Coventry, not Peterborough! Going by what I have read on here, it could be a similar situation for JPB at Sheffield & Birmingham. Sheffield invoked the 28 day guest rule although with JPB being a 2.00 point rider choices are minimal & mostly NDL riders only. If he then wishes to return to Sheffield(if they want him back as Tom Brennan turning 16 at end of June might be a better option) he will only serve a 14 day ban thus enabling him to ride for Sheffield & Birmingham after the 16th June. Sheffield are probably not using a facility. They can only have a NL rider as a guest anyway. Or they can chose to go down thew route of "no facility" and use a 2 point NL guest. Had Scunthorpe not claimed Josh was withholding his services and decided to use no facility then Josh could have rode yesterday. Edited June 5, 2017 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Team gets a facility for 28 days but the rider only banned for 14 days- it`s farcical !!! He obviously quit and didn`t just want to miss a match as they would have got a certificate for him. They are just making it up as they go along !!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Speedway making it up as they go along????? Never 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Hans signed for Coventry, not Peterborough! So.... if someone looked back to your 2008 posts on here, would they find you morally outraged about Hans Andersen being able to join Coventry after a 14-day-ban rather than a 28-day-ban, or would they find you saying "Welcome to Brandon, Hans!!" All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 David Howe has Tweeted that he got a 28-day ban when his daughter was in intensive care (and missed meetings, I presume and, quite rightly in my opinion). Is it "one rule for one, one rule for another"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 David Howe has Tweeted that he got a 28-day ban when his daughter was in intensive care (and missed meetings, I presume and, quite rightly in my opinion). Is it "one rule for one, one rule for another"? Or no rules for anybody, just a case of please yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Reading that, Pavlic only agreed to return after the 28-day-facility had expired. Had he wished to, he could have returned within 14 days, which would have been the actual length of his ban. But both 28 and 14 days have been about in the same years. Let’s take 2005. Klymakorpi moves from Peterborough to Coventry, Peterborough are given a 28-day-facility in order to replace him, and therefore he can’t appear for Bees until that facility is expired. And yet what the Henka Gustafsson example from later that year demonstrates is that had Klymakorpi wanted to return to Peterborough rather than move elsewhere, then he could have do so within 14 days. All the best Rob The actual BSPA Press Release of 21/7/2009 stated:- SWINDON have reached agreement with Croatian youngster Jurica Pavlic to return to the Robins this week following a 28-day ban. Pavlic's future was in serious doubt after he withheld his services last month, but he will now resume his position on Thursday. Robins skipper Leigh Adams said: "I explained to him what it would mean to all at Swindon Speedway to win the Elite League title. We've come so far." As no mention as to when Pavlic agreed to return is stated, you are making an unsupported supposition. As you are adamant that that a rider withholding his services will only be subject to a 14 day ban if he decides to return to the same club, can you please provide details of the current documentation source in the public domain that confirms your assertion. Look forward to your reply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 So.... if someone looked back to your 2008 posts on here, would they find you morally outraged about Hans Andersen being able to join Coventry after a 14-day-ban rather than a 28-day-ban, or would they find you saying "Welcome to Brandon, Hans!!" All the best Rob A rider walking out of his club because he's retired (or sulking) is not the same as a rider leaving because he wasn't paid. I'd not ban any rider who has not been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 A rider walking out of his club because he's retired (or sulking) is not the same as a rider leaving because he wasn't paid. I'd not ban any rider who has not been. Ah, so you put your moral outrage to one side when the rider was being allowed to join your club. I thought that might be the case. All the best Rob (Cyclone, I can't be bothered. You're too boring and repetitive). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brylcream boy Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I usually lose the will to live after about page 2/3 of most threads as it always degenerates into personal attacks from the same old keyboard warriors, but as I follow Scunny I have stuck with this one. How can such a simple sport on paper turn into such a confusing mess that matches Formula 1 for complex rules is beyond me. I know 99.9% of people, Lewy is the exception as I know he secretly loves all things Scunny, couldn't care whether I go again or not, but rather than being a regular I think I will be quite selective in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Act in haste repent in leisure. Haven’t we all done or said things in the heat of the moment that on reflection we have regretted. And I’m sure this is the case with Josh. For the last few weeks before his “retirement” It was clear that there was something wrong with Josh and his head wasn’t in the right place and as we all know that confidence breeds success, in the same way lack of confidence brings bad form. While we can only guess what was going on in Josh’s head hopefully he as got it out of his system now. As for the ban that is down to the board of control. Josh as also lost his place in the British final and maybe the board feel that along with a 14 day ban is enough. I’m guessing the board are more informed about things than we are It doesn't matter how 'informed' anyone is..........rules are rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Ah, so you put your moral outrage to one side when the rider was being allowed to join your club. I thought that might be the case. All the best Rob (Cyclone, I can't be bothered. You're too boring and repetitive). Running true to form eh Rob, when challenged to provides facts to support your propaganda, you repeatedly duck out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonga Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 But you must agree that he should serve his ban of 28 days. I agree spin king look at me, look at me i sponsor a rider saddo... good job they acknowledge you or you'd spit the dummy out... allegedly 😂😂 Godfrey/moorwell has pulled more stunts than an Eddie Kidd appreciation convention!! Did I say I sponsor Josh,,,,,, no..... Back to sleep Arson wipe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulvik Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) I'm not saying Rob Godfrey isn't above pulling a few strokes but he's still along way behind Ian Thomas. Rob didn't bring Josh onto the centre green and introduce him as "Dave East" Edited June 6, 2017 by hulvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtdodger Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Sadly Mr Godfrey has allowed sentiment to cloud his judgement in this case,Its clear Josh Auty has not been enjoying his speedway for weeks now , only he knows the real reason why.Not the best gater to sit on a speedway bike his sweeping moves to pass oposition riders have been a delight to watch,however watching him being overtaken like a novice has been painfull to say the least.If Josh Auty has had a change of heart and wants to continue racying speedway thats fine, a change of track would do him a lot of good,Rob Godfrey has passed up a chance to strengthen the Scunthorpe team and try to salvage something from the season . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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