Redcar Half Team V Glasgow Strong Team

[nagy1]

The way I interpret the story/evenings happenings is that the fence got repaired and got the all clear, then it transpired that Coty required more assistance.

 

Frustrating for both camps to say the least.

 

Redcar had a depleted team and weren't having the best of luck

 

Tigers were a stick on for a minimum of three points more likely to be four points at that stage.

 

Now we'll have to do it all again. More travelling time and expense for all involved

 

Best wishes to Coty

[Mad Max]

My take on last night's racing

 

Firstly I thought the ref actually got the start decisions correct - Garrity appears to have a technique where he moves just at the moment tapes rise, some may say this is very good, others he is moving. However he rarely touches tapes - in heat 1 I couldn't see tapes in gate 4 so don't know if he touched them or not.

 

Track seemed a bit heavy early on, obviously due to glorious weather we have in the North East and the watering to combat the dreaded dust. This did result in dirt line getting wider which probably contributed to later incidents.

 

Glasgow top 4 superb and only troubled once when Worrall missed gate but Garcia (involved in everything!) having totally messed Worrall up fell and we missed seeing if Wright would have been caught. Bewley also showed his class and style and without doubt Tigers would have won at a canter, which is probably why their camp are so upset at meeting not being concluded. Must give praise to Redcar's (guest) reserves - they kept the Bears close and Wallinger actually looked quite accomplished ( George - take note!!)

 

Onto the now infamous heat 10 - from my view and therefore in my opinion - Garcia firstly stopped Lawson's run out of first bend (did this annoy Lawson - only he knows) then entering the first bend on lap 2 Lawson came under Garcia, fairly but very hard, and rode out towards the fence, Garcia (being a racer) kept going with intention of riding outside, all got very close but there was space for Garcia until Lawson appeared to get a small amount of extra grip, causing riders to come together and catapult Garcia into circus acrobatics over the fence and Lawson also to fall heavily. One of the worst, and most spectacular crashes I have witnessed and vast majority would have expected Garcia to have some serious injuries! The whole crowd surprised and relieved to see both riders up and walking back to the pits. At this point ref made the incredible decision to exclude Garcia and announce that a rerun was to take place!

 

Fence was totally devastated - no doubt pictures will be around to show the damage - this is where Dickson's gets it wrong, it didn't take 40 minutes to repair the air fence, as was clearly explained to the crowd the major damage was to the backing fence behind the air fence and everyone could clearly see track staff (and a Glasgow rider!) working on this fence. Initially we were told that three air panels were shredded and possibly a fourth one damaged - apparently tracks have to have three panels as spare so there were worries that not enough were available, it looked like plans were being made to take one from elsewhere, but riders objected to this and that was vetoed. Once backing fence fixed the new air panels were in place in about 5 minutes and I guess the fourth panels was found to be ok and usable. Track looked good and all seemed set.

 

Glasgows riders all set - 2 mins on and announcement that 2 mins cancelled, paramedic with Garcia and therefore racing not allowed. I do not know about timings of when he fell ill and if as suggested it was just after fence fixed then you can see why some thought it "dodgy" However Redcar are not that desperate to get a rider to feign illness, be put on a drip and taken to hospital (and I expect spend night in there), if you look at it logically it just doesn't add up! Certainly Kevin Keay was visibly upset at any accusations of that ilk. As others have said rider's welfare comes first and paramedic would have been in all sorts of trouble if he had left Garcia to oversee heat ten and Garcia suddenly got a lot worse. I think this morning Mr Dickson will still be upset and disappointed, but hopefully have a more reasoned view.

 

Finally have to say how impressed I was with the Redcar promotion, constantly keeping us informed and updated and apologising for delays. Even though I was stood for about an hour waiting for events to unfold I left not feeling annoyed or upset about the situation - just shows what a bit of respect for your crowd can do!!

 

Best Wishes to Coty and also trust Richard is not feeling too battered!

[boz]

My take on last night's racing

 

Firstly I thought the ref actually got the start decisions correct - Garrity appears to have a technique where he moves just at the moment tapes rise, some may say this is very good, others he is moving. However he rarely touches tapes - in heat 1 I couldn't see tapes in gate 4 so don't know if he touched them or not.

 

Track seemed a bit heavy early on, obviously due to glorious weather we have in the North East and the watering to combat the dreaded dust. This did result in dirt line getting wider which probably contributed to later incidents.

 

Glasgow top 4 superb and only troubled once when Worrall missed gate but Garcia (involved in everything!) having totally messed Worrall up fell and we missed seeing if Wright would have been caught. Bewley also showed his class and style and without doubt Tigers would have won at a canter, which is probably why their camp are so upset at meeting not being concluded. Must give praise to Redcar's (guest) reserves - they kept the Bears close and Wallinger actually looked quite accomplished ( George - take note!!)

 

Onto the now infamous heat 10 - from my view and therefore in my opinion - Garcia firstly stopped Lawson's run out of first bend (did this annoy Lawson - only he knows) then entering the first bend on lap 2 Lawson came under Garcia, fairly but very hard, and rode out towards the fence, Garcia (being a racer) kept going with intention of riding outside, all got very close but there was space for Garcia until Lawson appeared to get a small amount of extra grip, causing riders to come together and catapult Garcia into circus acrobatics over the fence and Lawson also to fall heavily. One of the worst, and most spectacular crashes I have witnessed and vast majority would have expected Garcia to have some serious injuries! The whole crowd surprised and relieved to see both riders up and walking back to the pits. At this point ref made the incredible decision to exclude Garcia and announce that a rerun was to take place!

 

Fence was totally devastated - no doubt pictures will be around to show the damage - this is where Dickson's gets it wrong, it didn't take 40 minutes to repair the air fence, as was clearly explained to the crowd the major damage was to the backing fence behind the air fence and everyone could clearly see track staff (and a Glasgow rider!) working on this fence. Initially we were told that three air panels were shredded and possibly a fourth one damaged - apparently tracks have to have three panels as spare so there were worries that not enough were available, it looked like plans were being made to take one from elsewhere, but riders objected to this and that was vetoed. Once backing fence fixed the new air panels were in place in about 5 minutes and I guess the fourth panels was found to be ok and usable. Track looked good and all seemed set.

 

Glasgows riders all set - 2 mins on and announcement that 2 mins cancelled, paramedic with Garcia and therefore racing not allowed. I do not know about timings of when he fell ill and if as suggested it was just after fence fixed then you can see why some thought it "dodgy" However Redcar are not that desperate to get a rider to feign illness, be put on a drip and taken to hospital (and I expect spend night in there), if you look at it logically it just doesn't add up! Certainly Kevin Keay was visibly upset at any accusations of that ilk. As others have said rider's welfare comes first and paramedic would have been in all sorts of trouble if he had left Garcia to oversee heat ten and Garcia suddenly got a lot worse. I think this morning Mr Dickson will still be upset and disappointed, but hopefully have a more reasoned view.

 

Finally have to say how impressed I was with the Redcar promotion, constantly keeping us informed and updated and apologising for delays. Even though I was stood for about an hour waiting for events to unfold I left not feeling annoyed or upset about the situation - just shows what a bit of respect for your crowd can do!!

 

Best Wishes to Coty and also trust Richard is not feeling too battered!

 

Agree with pretty much all of that. Garrity was definitely moving in every one of his heats I thought, although he did not touch the tapes in heat 1 (apparently confirmed at the time by the video camerman).

[SharpenRake]

My take on last night's racing

 

Firstly I thought the ref actually got the start decisions correct - Garrity appears to have a technique where he moves just at the moment tapes rise, some may say this is very good, others he is moving. However he rarely touches tapes - in heat 1 I couldn't see tapes in gate 4 so don't know if he touched them or not.

 

Track seemed a bit heavy early on, obviously due to glorious weather we have in the North East and the watering to combat the dreaded dust. This did result in dirt line getting wider which probably contributed to later incidents.

 

Glasgow top 4 superb and only troubled once when Worrall missed gate but Garcia (involved in everything!) having totally messed Worrall up fell and we missed seeing if Wright would have been caught. Bewley also showed his class and style and without doubt Tigers would have won at a canter, which is probably why their camp are so upset at meeting not being concluded. Must give praise to Redcar's (guest) reserves - they kept the Bears close and Wallinger actually looked quite accomplished ( George - take note!!)

 

Onto the now infamous heat 10 - from my view and therefore in my opinion - Garcia firstly stopped Lawson's run out of first bend (did this annoy Lawson - only he knows) then entering the first bend on lap 2 Lawson came under Garcia, fairly but very hard, and rode out towards the fence, Garcia (being a racer) kept going with intention of riding outside, all got very close but there was space for Garcia until Lawson appeared to get a small amount of extra grip, causing riders to come together and catapult Garcia into circus acrobatics over the fence and Lawson also to fall heavily. One of the worst, and most spectacular crashes I have witnessed and vast majority would have expected Garcia to have some serious injuries! The whole crowd surprised and relieved to see both riders up and walking back to the pits. At this point ref made the incredible decision to exclude Garcia and announce that a rerun was to take place!

 

Fence was totally devastated - no doubt pictures will be around to show the damage - this is where Dickson's gets it wrong, it didn't take 40 minutes to repair the air fence, as was clearly explained to the crowd the major damage was to the backing fence behind the air fence and everyone could clearly see track staff (and a Glasgow rider!) working on this fence. Initially we were told that three air panels were shredded and possibly a fourth one damaged - apparently tracks have to have three panels as spare so there were worries that not enough were available, it looked like plans were being made to take one from elsewhere, but riders objected to this and that was vetoed. Once backing fence fixed the new air panels were in place in about 5 minutes and I guess the fourth panels was found to be ok and usable. Track looked good and all seemed set.

 

Glasgows riders all set - 2 mins on and announcement that 2 mins cancelled, paramedic with Garcia and therefore racing not allowed. I do not know about timings of when he fell ill and if as suggested it was just after fence fixed then you can see why some thought it "dodgy" However Redcar are not that desperate to get a rider to feign illness, be put on a drip and taken to hospital (and I expect spend night in there), if you look at it logically it just doesn't add up! Certainly Kevin Keay was visibly upset at any accusations of that ilk. As others have said rider's welfare comes first and paramedic would have been in all sorts of trouble if he had left Garcia to oversee heat ten and Garcia suddenly got a lot worse. I think this morning Mr Dickson will still be upset and disappointed, but hopefully have a more reasoned view.

 

Finally have to say how impressed I was with the Redcar promotion, constantly keeping us informed and updated and apologising for delays. Even though I was stood for about an hour waiting for events to unfold I left not feeling annoyed or upset about the situation - just shows what a bit of respect for your crowd can do!!

 

Best Wishes to Coty and also trust Richard is not feeling too battered!

 

I wasn't there last night but this has to be one of the best posts ever on the Forum. thank you sir

[Norfolk Bear]

There can be no doubt that Glasgow were on their way to a deserved victory, my gripes are with the referee. The inconsistency is astonishing, All riders make movements,

Last week a Scunthorpe rider pulled back after an attempted roll hence he was last away , hoisted by his own petard you may say, NO Race was restarted with a warning to MPT. Of course he finishes second in the re run so instead of a 5-1 we get a 4-2 .

For me as long as the tapes are not touched let them go . The time wasted from start, 5 mins at the pit gate & restart is taking too long.

 

When will speedway utilise common sense , go to one league , stop the du/ dd & get rid of guests......

[Gazc]

There can be no doubt that Glasgow were on their way to a deserved victory, my gripes are with the referee. The inconsistency is astonishing, All riders make movements,

Last week a Scunthorpe rider pulled back after an attempted roll hence he was last away , hoisted by his own petard you may say, NO Race was restarted with a warning to MPT. Of course he finishes second in the re run so instead of a 5-1 we get a 4-2 .

For me as long as the tapes are not touched let them go . The time wasted from start, 5 mins at the pit gate & restart is taking too long.

 

When will speedway utilise common sense , go to one league , stop the du/ dd & get rid of guests......

I genuinely believe that the amateurish way this sport is being run by the ones in charge and there foot soldiers implementing there rules will fast track the death of the sport in this country.

 

Speedway and common sense will never be used in the same sentence until the welfare of the sport is outsourced and run properly by a company with no affiliation to any club.

 

You only have to look at Darts to see the outcome of an outside body taking control.

Edited June 2, 2017 by Gazc

[northyorksbear]

My take on last night's racing

 

Firstly I thought the ref actually got the start decisions correct - Garrity appears to have a technique where he moves just at the moment tapes rise, some may say this is very good, others he is moving. However he rarely touches tapes - in heat 1 I couldn't see tapes in gate 4 so don't know if he touched them or not.

 

Track seemed a bit heavy early on, obviously due to glorious weather we have in the North East and the watering to combat the dreaded dust. This did result in dirt line getting wider which probably contributed to later incidents.

 

Glasgow top 4 superb and only troubled once when Worrall missed gate but Garcia (involved in everything!) having totally messed Worrall up fell and we missed seeing if Wright would have been caught. Bewley also showed his class and style and without doubt Tigers would have won at a canter, which is probably why their camp are so upset at meeting not being concluded. Must give praise to Redcar's (guest) reserves - they kept the Bears close and Wallinger actually looked quite accomplished ( George - take note!!)

 

Onto the now infamous heat 10 - from my view and therefore in my opinion - Garcia firstly stopped Lawson's run out of first bend (did this annoy Lawson - only he knows) then entering the first bend on lap 2 Lawson came under Garcia, fairly but very hard, and rode out towards the fence, Garcia (being a racer) kept going with intention of riding outside, all got very close but there was space for Garcia until Lawson appeared to get a small amount of extra grip, causing riders to come together and catapult Garcia into circus acrobatics over the fence and Lawson also to fall heavily. One of the worst, and most spectacular crashes I have witnessed and vast majority would have expected Garcia to have some serious injuries! The whole crowd surprised and relieved to see both riders up and walking back to the pits. At this point ref made the incredible decision to exclude Garcia and announce that a rerun was to take place!

 

Fence was totally devastated - no doubt pictures will be around to show the damage - this is where Dickson's gets it wrong, it didn't take 40 minutes to repair the air fence, as was clearly explained to the crowd the major damage was to the backing fence behind the air fence and everyone could clearly see track staff (and a Glasgow rider!) working on this fence. Initially we were told that three air panels were shredded and possibly a fourth one damaged - apparently tracks have to have three panels as spare so there were worries that not enough were available, it looked like plans were being made to take one from elsewhere, but riders objected to this and that was vetoed. Once backing fence fixed the new air panels were in place in about 5 minutes and I guess the fourth panels was found to be ok and usable. Track looked good and all seemed set.

 

Glasgows riders all set - 2 mins on and announcement that 2 mins cancelled, paramedic with Garcia and therefore racing not allowed. I do not know about timings of when he fell ill and if as suggested it was just after fence fixed then you can see why some thought it "dodgy" However Redcar are not that desperate to get a rider to feign illness, be put on a drip and taken to hospital (and I expect spend night in there), if you look at it logically it just doesn't add up! Certainly Kevin Keay was visibly upset at any accusations of that ilk. As others have said rider's welfare comes first and paramedic would have been in all sorts of trouble if he had left Garcia to oversee heat ten and Garcia suddenly got a lot worse. I think this morning Mr Dickson will still be upset and disappointed, but hopefully have a more reasoned view.

 

Finally have to say how impressed I was with the Redcar promotion, constantly keeping us informed and updated and apologising for delays. Even though I was stood for about an hour waiting for events to unfold I left not feeling annoyed or upset about the situation - just shows what a bit of respect for your crowd can do!!

 

Best Wishes to Coty and also trust Richard is not feeling too battered!

 

Agree 100% with this post.

 

Would just add that which ever Glasgow rider was helping repair the fence would clearly have been able to report back if workers had been "taking their time"

 

I think Stewart Dickson's comments were borne out of annoyance, frustration and disappointment that 4 guaranteed points were lost, and he said things in the heat of the moment, as stated in above post I expect on reflection this morning he has a more reasoned view.

I must add that I don't think the person responsible for adding the comments to Glasgow's website has helped at all with their headline, and I suspect selective use of Dickson's words, which may be good for building a story, but only act to incite the more vocal of supporters!!

 

Finally I concur with the praise of Kevin Keay, yet again he appeared to act in correct manner and I also did not leave feeling cheesed off, which would probably have been the case in the past

 

Best Wishes to coty.

[cheekycobra]

My take on last night's racing

 

Firstly I thought the ref actually got the start decisions correct - Garrity appears to have a technique where he moves just at the moment tapes rise, some may say this is very good, others he is moving. However he rarely touches tapes - in heat 1 I couldn't see tapes in gate 4 so don't know if he touched them or not.

 

Track seemed a bit heavy early on, obviously due to glorious weather we have in the North East and the watering to combat the dreaded dust. This did result in dirt line getting wider which probably contributed to later incidents.

 

Glasgow top 4 superb and only troubled once when Worrall missed gate but Garcia (involved in everything!) having totally messed Worrall up fell and we missed seeing if Wright would have been caught. Bewley also showed his class and style and without doubt Tigers would have won at a canter, which is probably why their camp are so upset at meeting not being concluded. Must give praise to Redcar's (guest) reserves - they kept the Bears close and Wallinger actually looked quite accomplished ( George - take note!!)

 

Onto the now infamous heat 10 - from my view and therefore in my opinion - Garcia firstly stopped Lawson's run out of first bend (did this annoy Lawson - only he knows) then entering the first bend on lap 2 Lawson came under Garcia, fairly but very hard, and rode out towards the fence, Garcia (being a racer) kept going with intention of riding outside, all got very close but there was space for Garcia until Lawson appeared to get a small amount of extra grip, causing riders to come together and catapult Garcia into circus acrobatics over the fence and Lawson also to fall heavily. One of the worst, and most spectacular crashes I have witnessed and vast majority would have expected Garcia to have some serious injuries! The whole crowd surprised and relieved to see both riders up and walking back to the pits. At this point ref made the incredible decision to exclude Garcia and announce that a rerun was to take place!

 

Fence was totally devastated - no doubt pictures will be around to show the damage - this is where Dickson's gets it wrong, it didn't take 40 minutes to repair the air fence, as was clearly explained to the crowd the major damage was to the backing fence behind the air fence and everyone could clearly see track staff (and a Glasgow rider!) working on this fence. Initially we were told that three air panels were shredded and possibly a fourth one damaged - apparently tracks have to have three panels as spare so there were worries that not enough were available, it looked like plans were being made to take one from elsewhere, but riders objected to this and that was vetoed. Once backing fence fixed the new air panels were in place in about 5 minutes and I guess the fourth panels was found to be ok and usable. Track looked good and all seemed set.

 

Glasgows riders all set - 2 mins on and announcement that 2 mins cancelled, paramedic with Garcia and therefore racing not allowed. I do not know about timings of when he fell ill and if as suggested it was just after fence fixed then you can see why some thought it "dodgy" However Redcar are not that desperate to get a rider to feign illness, be put on a drip and taken to hospital (and I expect spend night in there), if you look at it logically it just doesn't add up! Certainly Kevin Keay was visibly upset at any accusations of that ilk. As others have said rider's welfare comes first and paramedic would have been in all sorts of trouble if he had left Garcia to oversee heat ten and Garcia suddenly got a lot worse. I think this morning Mr Dickson will still be upset and disappointed, but hopefully have a more reasoned view.

 

Finally have to say how impressed I was with the Redcar promotion, constantly keeping us informed and updated and apologising for delays. Even though I was stood for about an hour waiting for events to unfold I left not feeling annoyed or upset about the situation - just shows what a bit of respect for your crowd can do!!

 

Best Wishes to Coty and also trust Richard is not feeling too battered!

The only thing I would add to this is that the Medics were with Coty in the pits well before the two minute warning was put on. It was then that he was moved to the ambulance after the two minutes and the announcer called for medics to go to their posts. The Medics ignored this and stayed with Coty where the two minutes was then cancelled.

Edited June 2, 2017 by cheekycobra

[jenga]

looks like glasgow have , a win at all costs to satisfy the faccues . money before life . are they stupid ? as for david dickinson . ithe aR$$ole . . putting results before a riders well being . .wonder what he would have said if glasgow were at ippo when babs took ill . ?

Edited June 2, 2017 by jenga

[slyfox]

Just been posted on The Bears Official web site several photos of the crash from Club Photographer Colin Poole that show (as we all saw on the first bend) That Richard lost control of his bike as he tried to go under Coty, with his back wheel going out and catching Cotys bike. Richard was 100% responsible for the crash. Why was Coty excluded? What the 2 referees were looking at beggars belief. Along with the video evidence of Jason not touching the tapes in heat one it make you wonder about these 2 Refs ability to do that job.

Edited June 2, 2017 by Sly Fox

[cheekycobra]

Statement from Glasgow boss......

Glasgow boss Stewart Dickson said: “We can't argue with the paramedics. I can understand if a rider is taken not well.

 

“The only thing I would add is the timing of it - the fact that it took 40 minutes to repair the air fence and the rider in question was fine up until then, but the minute the air fence was repaired, he suddenly took not well.

 

“The timing seemed a bit odd. But we wish the rider well. It was obviously very serious for the Redcar promotion to abandon the meeting.”

The 'rider' is in hospital with back and shoulder problems!

" The rider was fine up until then"...... No he wasn't.

[SCB]

Just been posted on The Bears Official web site several photos of the crash from Club Photographer Colin Poole that show (as we all saw on the first bend) That Richard lost control of his bike as he tried to go under Coty, with his back wheel going out and catching Cotys bike. Richard was 100% responsible for the crash. Why was Coty excluded? What the 2 referees were looking at beggars belief. Along with the video evidence of Jason not touching the tapes in heat one it make you wonder about these 2 Refs ability to do that job.

You can never be totally sure looking at still images but I'm amazed Garcia was considered to be at fault for that one

[MANSE]

Did you enjoy the meeting Jenga

[oldywonkenoldi]

You can never be totally sure looking at still images but I'm amazed Garcia was considered to be at fault for that one

Must have been Mcgregor said so!

[slyfox]

You can never be totally sure looking at still images but I'm amazed Garcia was considered to be at fault for that one

Hear what you say but if you look at the photos in quick succession it almost like a movie with Richard out of control and Coty looking very much in control until the contact.

[northyorksbear]

looks like glasgow have , a win at all costs to satisfy the faccues . money before life . are they stupid ? as for david dickinson . ithe aR$$ole . . putting results before a riders well being . .wonder what he would have said if glasgow were at ippo when babs took ill . ?

 

As I said comments made at the time were fuelled by frustration and disappointment and also possibly the thought that Redcar were "pulling a fast one" and used selectively by the person compiling the article. today with reflection and a bit of hindsight I'm sure everyone on both parties will see the evening's events in a clearer and more focussed mind.

 

If your post was a fishing expedition, wrong time, wrong situation!

[sidewinder]

Have to say, that I feel very sorry for the Glasgow team and fans who made the trip. They were on a certain 4 points until the abandonment. They were the better team and would have deserved the victory. I also have to say that in the circumstances, maybe their management should have held back on making comment, till more information came to light. Is'nt it about time Mcgregor was shown the door, he courts controversy. Speedway does not need to inflict more damage on itself, but he destroy's meetings regularly.

[damosuzuki]

See the Moanarchs are out as usual, hiding how gutted they are at being pumped out of the cup under the guise of having a pop at Glasgow. Low, but not unexpected.

 

 

I think everyone at Glasgow is gutted at the way it panned out, I wasn't there but supporters of both sides seem to think the ref had a nightmare. Still, that's speedway and we live to fight another day. More importantly no one was badly hurt in what seems to have been an eventful night.

 

All the best to Cote, a great rider for Glasgow and by all accounts a very nice guy.

[Joseq7]

When something looks fishy and smells fishy, it's a fish.

[GlasgowGuy]

 

Heavens the Weej are getting a bit desperate for points are they not?

 

Perhaps if Lawson hadn't taken Garcia into and over the fence then you would have got them.

You were there then? Surprised when your own side were so self confident of cup success