TheScotsman Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 Hopefully Coty will be on the mend soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 Decent return from the reserves good to see max scoring points on the road. Expected a bit more from the Riss brothers but oh well. Just need to focus on the league now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 Parkinson-Blackburn to take time out of the sport: https://twitter.com/TigersSpeedway/status/870666094742302720 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Duppcomic Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 SHEFFIELD Tigers have been rocked by Jack Parkinson-Blackburn's decision to take a break from racing. The talented teenager informed the club of his decision in the aftermath of a zero return in the thrilling cup win over Edinburgh. Club bosses are disappointed with the decision but understand and will now seek a 28-day guest facility to cover for a rider withholding services. Co-promoter Damien Bates said: "We are extremely disappointed with this news because we were standing by Jack despite him struggling for us. "However we understand his desire to take a break and we wish him well, we sincerely hope this isn't the last we see of him at Owlerton. "In the meantime our search for a replacement begins immediately and we have to use a guest in tonight's league match at Edinburgh which will be Ryan McDonald who we thank at short notice." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 SHEFFIELD Tigers have been rocked by Jack Parkinson-Blackburn's decision to take a break from racing. The talented teenager informed the club of his decision in the aftermath of a zero return in the thrilling cup win over Edinburgh. Club bosses are disappointed with the decision but understand and will now seek a 28-day guest facility to cover for a rider withholding services. Co-promoter Damien Bates said: "We are extremely disappointed with this news because we were standing by Jack despite him struggling for us. "However we understand his desire to take a break and we wish him well, we sincerely hope this isn't the last we see of him at Owlerton. "In the meantime our search for a replacement begins immediately and we have to use a guest in tonight's league match at Edinburgh which will be Ryan McDonald who we thank at short notice." It's a much harder league than it's given credit for and most of the 2 pointers are struggling . Must be soul destroying for them at times . But he's young and has time on his side , hope this is just a minor setback and he comes back stronger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Agreed paulco the rule to force teams to track an untried rider is good in theory but the reality is it doesn't work, waters down the product and will lose a lot of lads from the sport. We need to find a way to get more riders in the sport as there is too much doubling up, the alternative is less teams and no one wants that The national league is where they should be learning and only those who are ready and good enough should go up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Agreed paulco the rule to force teams to track an untried rider is good in theory but the reality is it doesn't work, waters down the product and will lose a lot of lads from the sport. We need to find a way to get more riders in the sport as there is too much doubling up, the alternative is less teams and no one wants that The national league is where they should be learning and only those who are ready and good enough should go up. According to the Birmingham website, Parkinson-Blackburn is averaging 10.96in the NL. Its difficult to see what average he would need to go into the Championship. I think that it is a good idea to have the 2 point riders in that league but there has to be an understanding on the part of everyone (promoters, fans, management, the rider, his sponsors and family)that it will be a long term haul and that patience is required. Almost all of those on that average are struggling and that's more because it is a huge step up rather than not being ready. There is a benefit to having those lads in a higher league - after all, better them than a shed load of low grade foreigners. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Hi s problem to me at Sheffield at least was that he didn't seem to have to the power he needed. if he got to the third bend in a good position he usually scored points, but he didn't seem to have the power to gate consistently and to have power coming out the second bend to stop others passing him. hopefully he will be back soon and with some help to get a more competitive engine for Sheffield. it would be a big shame to lose him to the sport, and a big shame for Sheffield to lose him as a rider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 Hi s problem to me at Sheffield at least was that he didn't seem to have to the power he needed. if he got to the third bend in a good position he usually scored points, but he didn't seem to have the power to gate consistently and to have power coming out the second bend to stop others passing him. hopefully he will be back soon and with some help to get a more competitive engine for Sheffield. it would be a big shame to lose him to the sport, and a big shame for Sheffield to lose him as a rider What happens when he does decide he wants to return as Sheffield are applying for a 28 day facility to cover for a rider who is withholding his services , would he have to serve a 28 day ban, I am asking because i'm not sure how the system works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 They'll think up a rule at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 What happens when he does decide he wants to return as Sheffield are applying for a 28 day facility to cover for a rider who is withholding his services , would he have to serve a 28 day ban, I am asking because i'm not sure how the system works. What ever is the rule on the day he wants to return will be put into place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 According to the Birmingham website, Parkinson-Blackburn is averaging 10.96in the NL. Its difficult to see what average he would need to go into the Championship. I think that it is a good idea to have the 2 point riders in that league but there has to be an understanding on the part of everyone (promoters, fans, management, the rider, his sponsors and family)that it will be a long term haul and that patience is required. Almost all of those on that average are struggling and that's more because it is a huge step up rather than not being ready. There is a benefit to having those lads in a higher league - after all, better them than a shed load of low grade foreigners. As you say it's a huge step up so by definition it will be too big a step for many as we are seeing. All you have proven is that the difference between the league's is too big. tracks in the national league are being prepared for novices and it is not being used to prepare riders for progression, nothing in the sport in this country is. Just give them a bike a team place and away you go..... We are dumbing down the championship instead of trying to produce better riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Sorry but the novice at number seven idea has to be maintained. Some will sink, some will swim but in the end it will improve riders quicker. For every JPB there is an Ellis Perks, Danyon Hume etc and generally it will work. The talent is there, it needs a means of being nurtured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Sorry but the novice at number seven idea has to be maintained. Some will sink, some will swim but in the end it will improve riders quicker. For every JPB there is an Ellis Perks, Danyon Hume etc and generally it will work. The talent is there, it needs a means of being nurtured. That is the hope , although it is a long and full of patience process . We have Jack Smith at Glasgow , and while nobody is getting on at him and the promotion is full of support for him , I worry about him . He cuts a sad and forlorn figure at times , looking out from the pits during races and on the truck at the end , and you just have concerns that his confidence is being shattered . You mention Ellis Perks , and he has shown a lot of improvement this season , but he has been at it a lot longer than the likes of Smith and the other two pointers and you worry how many more will decide they've had enough before their potential has been fulfilled . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Sorry but the novice at number seven idea has to be maintained. Some will sink, some will swim but in the end it will improve riders quicker. For every JPB there is an Ellis Perks, Danyon Hume etc and generally it will work. The talent is there, it needs a means of being nurtured. Couldn't disagree more mainly because and we have all witnessed it in the elite league is what happens next year and the year after and the year after. Whilst the current crop has a few riders that will make it, this will decrease next year and the year after. Or you get the ludicrous situation where someone decides which of the riders are allowed to stay at reserve and who is not. I totally agree with bringing in the riders at 2 points making it more likely that they will get a chance, that is a good thing as I do agree I don't want second rate foreigners hanging around beyond their best before date. However the harsh reality is that there are not enough competent no 7s around for everyone. If you are good enough you are old enough and the likes of Hume will get a chance and I'm sure Perks had been given a go before the rule was introduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Guys JPB and Jack Smith before the start of 2017 had only ever rode at reserve in the NL neither of them even got into the main Body of the Birmingham team at any point last season .So the step up they have took was always going to be too big Jack Smith in riding Elite league is crazy really.. Other number 7s this season have rode 1 or 2 more seasons like hume and perks that you mention.. Now some some smart arse may tell me they guested in the main body for someone last season which im sure they did.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 A step too far is what the EDR system was in the old EL. For me, it needs to be a natural steady progression. NDL reserves should not be allowed to ride in the Championship as possible inflated averages could make them look good enough. Two seasons or having an 8 or 9 point average in the main body over a long period could mean you might be good enough. If, on the other hand, like JPB you are riding to a high average then give the guy a chance but also put an arm around his shoulder asking if he is ok at this level, is it too much, do you want to drop back down. Let's make sure they are ready for the move up & not destroy them. It, also, applies to the Premiership where people are saying it is watered down. Make the reserves a minimum 5.5/6 point Championship riders where if they cannot attain a 3.5/4 point average in the Premiership(over a period of time) then they are, also, not ready for the step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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