HenryW Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Rolling averages were the answer and we had them but they got rid of them for the start of the current season. Given the mess they made of the top league averages this season I can understand why they didn't use them this year but it has clearly proved what their benefit is. Hopefully they will be used going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Again, you know exactly what i mean. Stop trying to sound clever.. If you can't spell a 6 letter word, then there really is no hope of you ever appearing literate or intelligent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 SCB Can't argue with that haha Maybe a rider can only drop a certain % off his starting average to stop teams building good sides mid season But has his true average start of the following season Example Holder starts on 12.00 but can only fall 25% below that so if he averages 6/7 or whatever it is at present for team building he's a 9 minimum If he averages 8.5 in real terms thats his true average for next season Stops any manipulation to a degree but in holders case I think its just machinery and confidence This is where real rolling averages work well. But the BSPA have messed it up with stupid formats and using PL averages. I had already come up with weighted averages using EL figures for all riders and cooks have easily extended it to mean that they could have had weighted rolling averages by the BSPA preferred this 12+ average riders and PL averages and no rolling. People are capable of making this work in all manor of ways. The BSPA just love to do things their own utterly stupid way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Tell me more about your way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Yes, in the late 1980's / early 1990 IIRC Was absolutely mental on a bike, scary AF Does anyone else remember Thierry Hilaire at Milton Keynes? He made Roman Matousek look very benevolent on track. Or is the mix of medication swirling my mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 With no rolling aves and new averages after 4 h and 4 a, then the promoters have had a field day strengthening up by " fiddling " their averages. In this case it is more exaggerated due to Chris's high starting ave. Bit if a sweeping statement, given that no 4 and 4 averages have been released yet in the Pl! Cate to name the promotions that have "had a field day."Doyle was accused of fiddling his average, yet is 2nd in the averages. Holder and KK have been poor everywhere, and in KK case Poole are likely to be over 42 points so a high average would be much more useful than a low average. Any other riders been accused of deliberately dropping their average? Tell me more about your wayBasically scb weighted rider averages from each meeting last year, depending on whether they rode as a hl a 2nd string or reserve. From their you could get a suitable multiplier for any rider who did not ride EL. And then apply another waiting factor to ensure that teams at the desired strength could be built to a 42 point limit.Averages would have borne a true reflection of performance and we would not have had the current mess where point limit changes during the season and it seems the rules on request declarations allow you to build a side 15% stronger than the initial team building rules allowed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Does anyone else remember Thierry Hilaire at Milton Keynes? He made Roman Matousek look very benevolent on track. Or is the mix of medication swirling my mind? He rode for Sheffield too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 I see Holder upped his game yesterday now I've rumbled him.. SGB PREMIERSHIPKING’S LYNN 52: Robert Lambert 10+1, Troy Batchelor 10+1, Chris Holder 9+1, Lewis Rose 7+2, Simon Lambert 7+1, Kai Huckenbeck 6+2, Nicklas Porsing 3.SWINDON 41: Nick Morris 14, Jason Doyle 12, Adam Ellis 7, Zach Wajtknecht 3, David Bellego 3, Bradley Wilson-Dean 2, James Sarjeant 0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 That paid 10 is a little flattering. Should really have read a straight 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Also how many rides is that from, 4 or 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Also how many rides is that from, 4 or 5?4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 4 only got beaten by Doyle & Morris... not bad for a SGP star at his home track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 3 wins in his away meeting for Torun today ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 According to the SGP website, Holder is struggling for speed this year !!! 'Chris Holder admits his mechanical troubles have weighed him down this year as he battles to regain top speed for the Mitas Czech SGP.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 You stop trying to sound stupid then. Post of the year😂😂Forum gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I called this weeks ago!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I called this weeks ago!!!Surely if it was an average lowering exercise he would have gone through the tapes or faked an ef instead of getting excluded on two minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Surely if it was an average lowering exercise he would have gone through the tapes or faked an ef instead of getting excluded on two minutes? You would think so, but you're a clever chap whilst most speedway riders are not ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Surely if it was an average lowering exercise he would have gone through the tapes or faked an ef instead of getting excluded on two minutes? I think its either...I want to ride elsewhere....I earn to much and I don't fancy it and I don't give a siht...Or a bit of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 If Holder didn't want to ride for K/L how comes he has been dropped by his Polish and Swedish teams.. Didn't he want to ride for them either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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