Bruiser McHuge Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 He quite litetally said he had been stopped because he was to good! Just watched it again aswell to make sure i wasnt going mad He quite litetally said he had been stopped because he was to good! Just watched it again aswell to make sure i wasnt going mad I thought Nigel Pearson said he was barred because his averages were deemed too high..I thought Kelvin just sort of laughed..maybe I was wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 'Can't be arsed' is harsh. It's on the interests of everyone that the field is as strong as possible, so there should be some kind of safety net for a break down, injury, engine trouble etc. Either that or seed the top half a dozen like they do in the U21's. Once you start seeding at this level you take the competition element away. A large part of the excitement that gives a championship its value is the surprise of an expected also ran- Barker I this instance- riding out of his skin and surprising everyone, or even Kerr with his unexpected win and some of the supposed in form riders - Kennett, Nichols and Bomber of not riding to form. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Once you start seeding at this level you take the competition element away. A large part of the excitement that gives a championship its value is the surprise of an expected also ran- Barker I this instance- riding out of his skin and surprising everyone, or even Kerr with his unexpected win and some of the supposed in form riders - Kennett, Nichols and Bomber of not riding to form. Yes, Kennett was a big disappointment - never even troubled the scorers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 If its true about Dan Bewley , then the sport in this country as finally hit rock bottom Excellent chance to give one of British speedways top prospects some big meeting experience the BSPA should hang their heads in shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welwyn Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 I was next to Chapman in the queue for a pie after Heat 4 and asked him why Bewley wasn't riding and he said he didn't know. Which frankly made him look not very good at his job! So I don't know why he would use that as a lie about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Are you saying it wasnt a good meeting??? If so, I cant agree with you. Ive already said it was a good meeting, what else do you want me to say.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 It is a competition but it is also a business and you need the top riders to make the meeting viable. I would seed the top 8 in the averages and then have one semi final to get the other 8 finalists. Seems to work quite well for the Grand Prix. If you want to increase the competition element, then rather than using averages, seed the top 8 in this years final through to next year's final. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) I was next to Chapman in the queue for a pie after Heat 4 and asked him why Bewley wasn't riding and he said he didn't know. Which frankly made him look not very good at his job! So I don't know why he would use that as a lie about it. So if he was telling the truth, and I have no reason to doubt it, who the hell actually runs British Speedway? Edited June 20, 2017 by Star Lady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 SPOKE to Kelvin this afternoon and he didn't know anything about Chapman stopping Bewley from riding. It was Pearson in commentary who said of Bewley "He was deemed too good a rider to be track reserve tonight". Tatum replied "Was he?" and laughed. (Tatum also didn't know the rule about being excluded for a second starting offence after receiving a warning - Tatum rarely seems clued up). So it's Pearson you need to speak to about stating that Bewley was blocked for being too good. Or speak to the BSPA, as it was someone from the BSPA who told me that Bewley had been blocked at the last minute for being "too good". Pearson's comments merely agreed with what I was told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 It was Pearson in commentary who said of Bewley "He was deemed too good a rider to be track reserve tonight". Tatum replied "Was he?" and laughed. (Tatum also didn't know the rule about being excluded for a second starting offence after receiving a warning - Tatum rarely seems clued up). So it's Pearson you need to speak to about stating that Bewley was blocked for being too good. Or speak to the BSPA, as it was someone from the BSPA who told me that Bewley had been blocked at the last minute for being "too good". Pearson's comments merely agreed with what I was told. I thought it was Pearson who said it and not Tatum...and to be fair ro Tatum I don't think he realised Howarth had already had a warning..I think he does know that rule..but he thought it was for the tapes offence and not a second starting offence.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 It was Pearson in commentary who said of Bewley "He was deemed too good a rider to be track reserve tonight". Tatum replied "Was he?" and laughed. (Tatum also didn't know the rule about being excluded for a second starting offence after receiving a warning - Tatum rarely seems clued up). So it's Pearson you need to speak to about stating that Bewley was blocked for being too good. Or speak to the BSPA, as it was someone from the BSPA who told me that Bewley had been blocked at the last minute for being "too good". Pearson's comments merely agreed with what I was told. It was indeed Pearson and i am indeed going mad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondGlory Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 So if he was telling the truth, and I have no reason to doubt it, who the hell actually runs British Speedway? Anyone with a suit, a clipboard, and if they can tell you which way round the track the bike goes. If they make up their own rules on the fly they get a raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 I always thought it was 1st: Wild Card 2nd: Reserve #1 3rd: Reserve #2 But last year it was King, Cook, Lambert, yet Lambert and Worrall were the reserves. A few years back the winner was Scott Nicholls . but as the BSPA like to make it up as they go along .he didn't get the wildcard , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregoryM Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Bewley was down as one of the reserves in the programme and he was present at the track. It was announced on the BV website yesterday that Mellish and Smith would be the reserves with no mention of Bewley. Obviously somebody decided yesterday that he couldn't ride. I am sure it wasn't anybody connected with Belle Vue, it was in their interests for him to gain the experience, so who was it? It had to be someone with the authority to make such a decision and common sense dictates that as Chapman was there he would have at least been consulted. As for the suggestion it would break a rule if Bewley rode,chapter and verse would be helpful. The decision to have Andy Mellish as one of the reserves rather than Dan Bewley was made before yesterday. On Friday night at the Colts match Andy was interviewed by Hayley Bromley during the meeting, and one subject discussed was his participation as a British Final reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Don't have an issue with Lamberts omission nor Bewleys, for one horrible moment in the final I thought Cook & Worrall would get so concerned with each other that Barker would be at Cardiff. 5 eliminations would be good for a British Wildcard. And I don't have a problem with Barker, generally, when I was a Brummies season ticket holder for several seasons he was probably the most entertaining rider at Perry Barr, as a visitor or home rider. But his time has been & passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Tho I'm a big fan of Robert Lambert I don't believe in wildcards full stop. If you fail to qualify for whatever reason tough! One of the reasons I stopped watching the GPs is because if your face fits you get a wildcard and you are in. If you are in the GPs you shouldn't be doing the GP challenge series. Then either at the end or the beginning of the following season the bottom seven in the GP race of in the final challenge with the top nine in the challenge to make up the fifteen GP regulars. That way you MIGHT get close to the top 15 in the world.So you don't think this year's gp line up is close to being the top 15 in the world!?! Who do u have in mind as top 15 riders missing? Which rider would you seem to have got a wildcard because "their face fit" rather than merit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 So was you hiding to with RPNYC. Ive already said it was a good meeting, clearly you only read what you want to read. And the best rider on the night won it.. havent got a clue on what your talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 It is a competition but it is also a business and you need the top riders to make the meeting viable. I would seed the top 8 in the averages and then have one semi final to get the other 8 finalists. Seems to work quite well for the Grand Prix. If you want to increase the competition element, then rather than using averages, seed the top 8 in this years final through to next year's final. It's roundabouts and swings . If you take the top 8 out of the semi's there are no big names left to pull the punters in to that meeting. More to the point all the successful foreign riders that have ridden here- everyone from Holder to Ermolenko say one of the main reasons Brits are unsuccessful in the big time is that they have it too easy in their own country, compared with those who have to travel half way round the world to ride here and are not hungry enough. Unless they have to fight for every point they are never going to be internationally successful. The standard is low enough as it is without giving out free lunches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Don't think Dan would bother about it as reserve ,probably enjoyed more watching it,Getting excited on here about nothing .yIMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 I thought it was Pearson who said it and not Tatum...and to be fair ro Tatum I don't think he realised Howarth had already had a warning..I think he does know that rule..but he thought it was for the tapes offence and not a second starting offence.. Tatum on several occasions quoted the warning system in use in GPs and said he thought it would be good to have it in GB speedway, so he obviously wasn't aware that it is currently in use. As soon as they mentioned McGregor was ref I knew his stance on starting procedure and thought it highly likely a rider would be excluded at some point - to be honest I guessed it would be Garrity, as he did him 3 times in a recent Redcar match. Any rider under a warning who moves (delays start) again deserves all they receive form Mr McGregor and if a few more did the same we may get more efficient starts! Now just need McGregor to get his other decisions right and stop riders constantly returning to pits!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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