World U21 Team Final Rybnik Saturday 2nd September Live On Internet

[iris123]

I think to some extent the question was answered at the world 250cc final in Prague.When the Danish kid who went on to win was asked about the stone hard track he said he was used to the same conditions at home.That is,most continental tracks are fairly similar.Or at least some are,so they get to ride regularly on tracks that are the same in Denmark,Czech and Poland etc

We have something of a unique set up,which might help the development of riders used to different conditions,but is a hindrance to us as we get little experience on continental style tracks

[Fromafar]

Does anybody know how Dan Bewley is? It isn't clear if his first race stop was engine failure or a recurrence of his groin injury, as he didn't race again the latter looks more likely.

He did have 1 more race in which he was 2nd.Think he is injured though.

[Aces51]

He did have 1 more race in which he was 2nd.Think he is injured though.

I think you'll find that it was Lambert who replaced Dan that was second.

[Fromafar]

I think you'll find that it was Lambert who replaced Dan that was second.

Thanks,you are probably right,I noticed they never showed the joker replacement and Lambert had 4 pts in one race.

[Steve Shovlar]

Just watched that and the teamgb riders should really take a look at themselves. Shocking display. Looked like a real lack of effort.

[PolskiZuzel]

I reckon the Poles and Lions should've swopped machinery then see what the outcome would be....

 

We (the Poles) were saying the same thing going back to the 70's and 80's when the Iron Curtain was solid, and we were "the poor cousins"

As far as I am aware riders nowdays (from all countries) have equal access to modern technology, so what's stopping UK riders to have the same machinery as their PL rivals?

[Trees]

We (the Poles) were saying the same thing going back to the 70's and 80's when the Iron Curtain was solid, and we were "the poor cousins"

As far as I am aware riders nowdays (from all countries) have equal access to modern technology, so what's stopping UK riders to have the same machinery as their PL rivals?

Money probably. Do the Polish youngsters buy all their own equipment, how many engines and bikes do they own, how many times per week do they race/practice?

[stewmac]

Money probably. Do the Polish youngsters buy all their own equipment, how many engines and bikes do they own, how many times per week do they race/practice?

And yet we are brainwashed in the UK constantly into believing that we are amongst the richest of the world's countries and that places such as Poland are somehow far behind us in modern day to day life.

Here's the concrete evidence that blows all these propaganda notions out the water. A friend of mine who came to Poland with me for the first time for a speedway weekend a few years back thought he was going to a backward country at the time. Now, having been back many times over the past 7 or 8 years, he knows Poland is light years ahead of the UK in so many ways, not just on a speedway track...

[iris123]

Is it brainwashing?We are one of the richest countries.We must ask why have Poland improved in many ways.Just having seen the TV debate between Merkel and Schulz,one point came up.The financial help for Poland in the past years helping them in so many ways,yet the flat refusal to help in the refugee crisis and such situations cannot be allowed to continue.

Ask any Pole what the roads were like before all the help from the EU....

[Jonny the spud]

Just watched that and the teamgb riders should really take a look at themselves. Shocking display. Looked like a real lack of effort.

look forward to you telling Adam that to his face next time you see him

[uk_martin]

Money probably. Do the Polish youngsters buy all their own equipment, how many engines and bikes do they own, how many times per week do they race/practice?

 

There was no shortage of BSPA money to buy a huge stock of Gerhard engines. Did they all sell out? Or is there a shelf full of unused engines that could have been tailored to suit Polish conditions?

[stewmac]

Is it brainwashing?We are one of the richest countries.We must ask why have Poland improved in many ways.Just having seen the TV debate between Merkel and Schulz,one point came up.The financial help for Poland in the past years helping them in so many ways,yet the flat refusal to help in the refugee crisis and such situations cannot be allowed to continue.

Ask any Pole what the roads were like before all the help from the EU....

Not denying any of that, but what I really meant was that while the UK may have led the world once, even in speedway terms, nowadays while many other countries have moved massively forward, Poland included, we have stood still, and not just in speedway. Edited September 3, 2017 by stewmac

[uk_martin]

Whilst I don't disagree with the views that Brits are 1) not good enough 2) not given enough opportunities I wonder what difference bikes used makes.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I read that Kurtz used his Polish bikes and Jack Holder was on Chris Holder's bike (presumably Polish). Did the other Aussies also use engines that are usually used in Poland and therefore more suited to Polish tracks? I'm not trying to take away from the Aussies achievements simply interested in the differing standards of bikes used (if any).

 

I know Lambert rides in Poland but have no idea which bikes he used.

 

If the bikes do make that much difference how can we put all the blame the Brits who presumably don't have the advantage of Polish clubs and the bikes behind them.

 

Let's take a step back and ask ourselved WHY the Australian riders have "Polish bikes" at their disposal. Why have Australian riders gone out of their way to fix themselves up with places in Polish teams? More to the point, Lambert apart, why have the British riders NOT got themselves fixed up in Poland?

 

And what's so special about "Polish bikes"? They all start out the same at the GM / Gerhard / Jawa factory...they all go to one tuner or another. They all conform to FIM regulations. Talk about workmen blaming their tools.

[Trees]

Let's take a step back and ask ourselved WHY the Australian riders have "Polish bikes" at their disposal. Why have Australian riders gone out of their way to fix themselves up with places in Polish teams? More to the point, Lambert apart, why have the British riders NOT got themselves fixed up in Poland?

 

And what's so special about "Polish bikes"? They all start out the same at the GM / Gerhard / Jawa factory...they all go to one tuner or another. They all conform to FIM regulations. Talk about workmen blaming their tools.

Polish bikes are specifically tuned and set up for Polish tracks of course, you tell us, you should know. BUT they will have practised and practised, tried out numerous engines, just because they can.

 

The Aussies always help one another, always have done, I guess they have the advantage of being brought up on big sweeping tracks akin to Poland, just because they can, they have plenty of land to build tracks ...

 

Why the hell am I saying all this to you, you know what the British boys problems are, you tell me!!!!

[False dawn]

Our boys aren't idiots. They didn't come home believing nothing was wrong. And they're not that bad either.

This is what we're been saying about sending our best out there to learn their their trade. If others had better engines or better sponsorship or a hand from their older "friends", our boys will learn. It's not a level playing out there. Riding for Sheffield in the Championship one night and riding in a World Championship event a couple of nights later, is not the same thing. We'll go back better prepared next time and the time after that we'll be close to a win. That's how this works. We have the talent, now we need the experience.

[iris123]

Not denying any of that, but what I really meant was that while the UK may have led the world once, even in speedway terms, nowadays while many other countries have moved massively forward, Poland included, we have stood still, and not just in speedway.

Fr sure,but you have to look at where they were say 20 years ago.They were in such bad shape that it was neccesary to build up the infrastructure.It was the same with the communist East Germany.When i first went to Güstrow for instance the town was a scrap heap,buildings were terrible and now it has all been developed.Now all over the east they have new roads,new underpasses and new train stations etc.You could say,wow,look at the great leap forward this area has made,but it is all because of funding from elsewhere,not a sign of how the local economy has boomed

[Steve Shovlar]

look forward to you telling Adam that to his face next time you see him

Sorry Jonny but it seemed like the whole team caught a cold and not one of the team did themselves any justice at all. They were all off the pace with not one shining light amongst them. Heads were down. Pickering is not better than our boys but showed what he can do by being surrounded by the right attitude.

 

Gating last then going out wide on the first bend left our rider 30 metres behind by the back straight. They did it time after time. The Danes sussed it out after starting as badly, why not our boys?

 

We were very poor indeed.

[Jonny the spud]

No need to apologise to me, i just look forward to you telling Adam he should have a look at himself for his lack of effort (your words).

 

If you have the balls to do it that is ?

[Steve Shovlar]

No need to apologise to me, i just look forward to you telling Adam he should have a look at himself for his lack of effort (your words).

 

If you have the balls to do it that is ?

I would certainly ask him what went wrong, as I would any of the riders. Perhaps saying lack of effort was wrong wording, but there's a lack of something running through the whole team which was evident watching it.

 

Our riders are better than how they performed on Saturday and questions need to be asked why they performed as they did.

 

Adam has improved considerably this year but in nearly every race was off the pace, as were the others including Lambert who rides in Poland. Why? Hopefully the performance will be disected so that next time the team can do better.

[uk_martin]

Polish bikes are specifically tuned and set up for Polish tracks ... big sweeping tracks akin to Poland...

You make it sound like there is something massively different about Polish tracks? Rybnik is 357 metres, barely 15 metres longer than Kings Lynn, 10 metres longer than Belle vue and smaller than Berwick and Workington. No excuses for British riders not having the right equipment for combatting "big sweeping tracks".

 

...they will have practised and practised, tried out numerous engines, just because they can.

Maybe the Polish riders did. Bully for them. The Australians, and Danes didn't. Explain how they were so superior to the Brits? Why didn't the SCB/ BSPA arrange for training for the British lads? Because they could have, just they didn't.

 

The Aussies always help one another, always have done...

 

So how long before the Brits learn a lesson off them and start helping each other too?

 

.... you know what the British boys problems are, you tell me!!!!

First, you have to come out of this state of mind that poo-poo's the good things that happen elsewhere in the belief that the British way is the only way, and that the Poles are the enemy and wishes evil on them and can't wait for their leagues to implode, and then we might be able to make some progress.

Edited September 4, 2017 by uk martin