Daniel Smith Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 GB's future isn't in the hands of Robert Lambert. He's average and will never be better than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjjJyK3Fcuo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) GB's future isn't in the hands of Robert Lambert. He's average and will never be better than that The problem we have is that any young rider that shows a modicum of being better than his peers all of a sudden becomes "the next white hope"... Joe Screen at 16 used to beat established World Class Heat Leaders regularly in a League far and away of a much higher standard than that of today.. Joe got to Number Six in the World... No mean achievement, yet... Not one British U21 rider today is anywhere near Joe's standard that he had as a 16 year old..... Dan Bewley and possibly others may move to World Class but it's definitely not a given... Beating (no disrespect) "never will be's" each week is simply no preperation for coming up against true talent.. There will be 20 'Dan Bewley's in Poland all willing to knock hell out of each other to reach the massive rewards available... This educates them as to what is needed and they learn to deal with real pressure at a very early age.. Being a big fish in a small pond doesn't prepare you for swimming with sharks in an ocean.. Edited September 2, 2017 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Being a big fish in a small pond doesn't prepare you for swimming with sharks in an ocean.. How very true ! The question arises who is responsible for the fact that this once mighty pond got so small? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Practice was rained off so we went in blind, you can bet the Poles have practiced on that track many times in the last few weeks. At the end of the day you're racing against countries with bottomless pockets budget wise, when they have a stable of brand new highly tuned motors to chose from. It's sad but true. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Practice was rained off so we went in blind, you can bet the Poles have practiced on that track many times in the last few weeks. At the end of the day you're racing against countries with bottomless pockets budget wise, when they have a stable of brand new highly tuned motors to chose from. It's sad but true. Cannot knock the endeavour JTS... These lads simply need to be opened up more regularly to their counterparts overseas... Beating 'each other' is no real barometer of where they are in the grand scheme of things... More U21 Test Matches would bring them on and I would suggest be viable such is their novelty value these days... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 For the others maybe, but it's Adams last year in the U21's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Most fans have seen this scenario coming for a few years now,you really can't blame the Poles.It going to be along haul to get back in contention for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Practice was rained off so we went in blind, you can bet the Poles have practiced on that track many times in the last few weeks. At the end of the day you're racing against countries with bottomless pockets budget wise, when they have a stable of brand new highly tuned motors to chose from. It's sad but true. I reckon the Poles and Lions should've swopped machinery then see what the outcome would be.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Robert Lambert is simply the best we have now and it will take a huge effort for any of the other young Lions ( other than Bewley ) to catch up with him. Give the young man the credit he deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Robert Lambert is simply the best we have now and it will take a huge effort for any of the other young Lions ( other than Bewley ) to catch up with him. Give the young man the credit he deserves. What credit is that? Lambert is nowhere near the best we have now. Stevie Worrall has shot past him, Cookie is a million miles ahead. He's still behind Harris, King and Nicholls when it comes to racing against the stronger riders. Against the stronger riders I'd put Ellis ahead of Lambert. Woffinden is way ahead of everyone. In 2018 Lambert wouldn't even get a World Cup place if I was manager. As for our riders not having the equipment to compete, I think that's nonsense personally. We shouldn't be 25 points behind the Aussies, they seem to do alright with their equipment. Josh Pickering even managed 6 points ffs, he even got a race win. Something not 1 of our lads managed. I'd question our youngsters mentality over anything else first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Practice was rained off so we went in blind, you can bet the Poles have practiced on that track many times in the last few weeks. At the end of the day you're racing against countries with bottomless pockets budget wise, when they have a stable of brand new highly tuned motors to chose from. It's sad but true. Its more than practice and equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) I thought that it was muted that BV could be used to train up our youngsters, with lots of track time available, have we had any GB training or under 19, under 21 test matches there against other european countries, I do not think so. We should also have more test matches throughout europe if we ever want to be good again. The bspa and clubs will have to finance and make time available for this to happen, or all we will ever be is a training ground for other countries with Championship level racing. Since many youngsters ride here surely the bspa could arrange a series of GB V AUS tests at different tracks, some of the income from which can help finance GB training and tests in europe. Edited September 3, 2017 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I reckon the Poles and Lions should've swopped machinery then see what the outcome would be.... And what exactly would that achieve? The Poles had home track advantage. Well, boo hoo. It happens every few years. Team GB has home track advantage in the SWC by virtue of Busters Back Yard, EVERY YEAR. See how Team GB would get on if SWC Event 1 was in Czech Republic or Australia, or Latvia...or Russia, or USA. We wouldn't be so certain of qualification to the next round then. Lambert is nowhere near the best we have now. I think that the context of this is the Under 21 scene, in which case he is. Cookie, Worrall etc are substantially older than even the Polish Senior squad that won the SWC. At u21 level, what you saw at Rybnik was the best that we have, and it's clearly well off the pace of other youngsters from around the world. Josh Pickering even managed 6 points ffs, he even got a race win. Something not 1 of our lads managed. I'm amazed at how the Aussies who have no financial advantages over the British lads are able to perform on the world stage. Kurtz, Jack Holder, Fricke, and even Justin Sedgmen, were all able to get places in Polish teams, whilst all we hear from British riders is "boo hoo, it's very difficult to get a team place in Poland, sob sob". I'd question our youngsters mentality over anything else first. Absolutely. That and a pressure from the BSPA to support British leagues above all others, including the prospect of a ban from international competitions like the SEC, the Pairs etc when these lads get older, a lack of opportunities from the BSPA / SCB to pit our youngsters against international competition in the form of test matches, and the "being average is good enough" comfort zone of being able to make ends meet by earning a decent crust by riding in 3 British leagues at once. Make those young riders NEED to ride on the contenent to earn their money, make British speedway a one-rider-one-team sport by abolishing doubling up and guesting, and you'll have a hungrier more determined rider who will have to suppliement their earnings abroad, and in the process gain experience and skills that will make them into better riders. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I reckon the Poles and Lions should've swopped machinery then see what the outcome would be.... Australia first, Poland second, Denmark third and GB still last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) All comes down to the quality of rider and the training received imo, GB have riders from different motorcycling backgrounds whereas all the other countries have brought their riders through established junior competitions that historically have produced world class riders. GB have ignored this for the past 20 years and simply left it to chance that a rider would emerge- Woffenden a prime example. Our current state of league racing and the need to produce home grown riders should now be making promoters think likewise but don't hold your breath , if more promotions had been like Len Silver and looked at UK riders first then maybe the quality would be there. Edited September 3, 2017 by GWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Does anybody know how Dan Bewley is? It isn't clear if his first race stop was engine failure or a recurrence of his groin injury, as he didn't race again the latter looks more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Whilst I don't disagree with the views that Brits are 1) not good enough 2) not given enough opportunities I wonder what difference bikes used makes. Correct me if I'm wrong but I read that Kurtz used his Polish bikes and Jack Holder was on Chris Holder's bike (presumably Polish). Did the other Aussies also use engines that are usually used in Poland and therefore more suited to Polish tracks? I'm not trying to take away from the Aussies achievements simply interested in the differing standards of bikes used (if any). I know Lambert rides in Poland but have no idea which bikes he used. If the bikes do make that much difference how can we put all the blame the Brits who presumably don't have the advantage of Polish clubs and the bikes behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Whilst I don't disagree with the views that Brits are 1) not good enough 2) not given enough opportunities I wonder what difference bikes used makes. Correct me if I'm wrong but I read that Kurtz used his Polish bikes and Jack Holder was on Chris Holder's bike (presumably Polish). Did the other Aussies also use engines that are usually used in Poland and therefore more suited to Polish tracks? I'm not trying to take away from the Aussies achievements simply interested in the differing standards of bikes used (if any). I know Lambert rides in Poland but have no idea which bikes he used. If the bikes do make that much difference how can we put all the blame the Brits who presumably don't have the advantage of Polish clubs and the bikes behind them. Fricke would have had his Polish bikes and he rides for Rybnik and Kurtz is his replacement there after he was injured so both had home track advantage. However, none of that explains why we couldn't compete with the Danes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 You are all a bit too negative. It is an achievement already for the Young Lion to have reached the top four nations final in this Junior Team Championship. Except for the Poles, who are really miles ahead at the moment, I don't think that the Aussies are so superior (once You remove Holder, Fricke and Kurtz), and Denmark seems to struggle very much to find new stars. Britain is very nearly on the same level as these two nations, and probably already ahead of Sweden with their junior riders. The situation is not at all bad for GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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